Posted on Jul 28, 2015
Army's new NCOPDS: Will it help to improve and professionalize our NCO corps? Defend your answer.
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With the publishing of HQDA EXORD 236-15 the Army has revamped parts of the NCO Development System. Some key components are below:
1. Renamed the Warrior Leader Course to the Basic Leader Course.
2. Established a Master Leader Course to bridge the gap from SLC to SMA.
3. All NCOs will be rank ordered at the end of each NCOES course. This will help identify those who were 1% away from Commandant's List and who was last.
4. NCOES deferments must be approved by 1st GO in Chain of Command. Second deferment must go to next higher HQ GO. (example: 1st= DIV CDR, 2nd= CORPS CDR)
https://www.milsuite.mil/book/docs/DOC-213998
https://g1arng.army.pentagon.mil/pages/DisplayAnnouncement.aspx?AnnouncementID=3480
1. Renamed the Warrior Leader Course to the Basic Leader Course.
2. Established a Master Leader Course to bridge the gap from SLC to SMA.
3. All NCOs will be rank ordered at the end of each NCOES course. This will help identify those who were 1% away from Commandant's List and who was last.
4. NCOES deferments must be approved by 1st GO in Chain of Command. Second deferment must go to next higher HQ GO. (example: 1st= DIV CDR, 2nd= CORPS CDR)
https://www.milsuite.mil/book/docs/DOC-213998
https://g1arng.army.pentagon.mil/pages/DisplayAnnouncement.aspx?AnnouncementID=3480
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NCOES deferments is the best part of this change. We need to hold leaders accountable when they are potentially altering the course of a Soldier's career.
Rank ordering may or may not change things as how much does the 1059 really matter for WLC/ALC/SLC right now? Some people love a challenge while others are satisfied to meet the standards. Maybe 1059 ratings become part of promotion point scales like APFT and Weapons Qual?
Rank ordering may or may not change things as how much does the 1059 really matter for WLC/ALC/SLC right now? Some people love a challenge while others are satisfied to meet the standards. Maybe 1059 ratings become part of promotion point scales like APFT and Weapons Qual?
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The NCOES deferment policy, while good in concept, I think will prove to be challenging when attempting to manage our formations. Going to a GO-level headquarters is unnecessary, in my opinion. But I understand the idea - make it painful as a deterrent.
I really like the rank ordering on the 1059. As we continue to move through the Select/Train/Promote progression, it can potentially help to identify substandard performers prior to their promotion. And while not used for promotion point from SGT-SSG, they do consider Commandant's List, Honor Grad, and such during centralized selection boards.
I really like the rank ordering on the 1059. As we continue to move through the Select/Train/Promote progression, it can potentially help to identify substandard performers prior to their promotion. And while not used for promotion point from SGT-SSG, they do consider Commandant's List, Honor Grad, and such during centralized selection boards.
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Soldiers will get out what they put into it. If they are reading every question, researching the relevant regulations and guidance, and putting effort to use what they had learned on a daily basis then yes.
However, humans are naturally lazy. I believe that most will rush through it to get it done without getting into the weeds of the subjects being taught.
However, humans are naturally lazy. I believe that most will rush through it to get it done without getting into the weeds of the subjects being taught.
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Hopefully the establishment of a class rank will help identify those who put forth effort and those who do not. One of the other components of the EXORD that I did not mention above is using the class rankings as a way to identify future NCOES instructors.
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Awesome.....I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at or how it contributes to the original question. And by your 336 trailblazer badges, I'd say you just randomly insert words so you're the first one to comment. Glad I could help support what must be a very enjoyable hobby.
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Seeing that I am a Vietnam-era veteran means that I, Larry Olson, do solemnly swear that I do remember Jimmy Carter and his antics and how this current CIC is doing far worse to our economy and to the spirit of service. With Carter things were bad, really bad and in particular, Esprit De Corps. Now our veterans are holding an umbrella for a CIC who is making things much worse than even the Carter Administration.
Now, as far as those points are concerned about the first to respond, well you see 1st, that is the game. Since I am a terrible typist, I put my foot in the door, just to keep it open and if you do not like that, well just suffice it to say, that I was here when the whole discussion threads began so pardon me if I am amused at your attempts at hubris....
Glad to have served my country for you.
Larry,
Now, as far as those points are concerned about the first to respond, well you see 1st, that is the game. Since I am a terrible typist, I put my foot in the door, just to keep it open and if you do not like that, well just suffice it to say, that I was here when the whole discussion threads began so pardon me if I am amused at your attempts at hubris....
Glad to have served my country for you.
Larry,
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