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Army folks, please tell me this is a joke?
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MSgt Copeland,
As an Army Sharp rep I will tell you that this may be a joke; a tasteless joke; but is most definitely not real. I hope that some Soldier out there does not think that this can get them out of a bad situation that they put themselves in. A yes can always become a no. Doesn't matter whether it is signed off by both parties 2 minutes ago. It upsets me that Service Members are trying to find ways around doing the right thing instead of just doing the right thing.
As an Army Sharp rep I will tell you that this may be a joke; a tasteless joke; but is most definitely not real. I hope that some Soldier out there does not think that this can get them out of a bad situation that they put themselves in. A yes can always become a no. Doesn't matter whether it is signed off by both parties 2 minutes ago. It upsets me that Service Members are trying to find ways around doing the right thing instead of just doing the right thing.
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Sgt Adam Jennings
You mean doing the right thing like say, a female not screaming assault because she regrets having sex with the guy she met the night before? And before you say that doesn't happen, it most certainly does. A female Marine got court martialed in 29 Palms because she claimed rape after letting a bunch of Marines run a train on her. How did she get busted? Cell phone video of her in a very sober state yelling "Give me more!" And "Hardwr, Harder!" And yes, those male Marines were disciplined as well, but at least she didn't get away with a lie like she would have had there been no evidence to the contrary.
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Sgt Adam Jennings - One of the biggest problems is exacerbated by people like that. The problem is that people either assume "oh yeah, she must have wanted it" or the SECOND most popular theory "She brought it on herself."
How do I know this? One of my friends/Soldiers was raped. I won't go into the details, but NOBODY "asks for it" by how they act/dress/etc, and she did everything within reason to ensure that she was safe. She never DID want sex with the person.
It is unfortunate that there is really no way to know, but for a large percentage of rapes there ARE no winners. For the "aggressor" (most stereotypically males), you are assumed to be the rapist and shunned, plus can have adverse affects throughout your career even if it is cleared. To the rape victim, people whisper about you like you're damaged goods, act differently around you, or assume that you are like the example you are giving......either "should have avoided it" (like "Why didn't you take a different road home to avoid that car accident?") or was simply a whore with morning remorse.
It is a HORRIBLE thing....yet so many just laugh it off.
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CPT Butler
How do I know this? One of my friends/Soldiers was raped. I won't go into the details, but NOBODY "asks for it" by how they act/dress/etc, and she did everything within reason to ensure that she was safe. She never DID want sex with the person.
It is unfortunate that there is really no way to know, but for a large percentage of rapes there ARE no winners. For the "aggressor" (most stereotypically males), you are assumed to be the rapist and shunned, plus can have adverse affects throughout your career even if it is cleared. To the rape victim, people whisper about you like you're damaged goods, act differently around you, or assume that you are like the example you are giving......either "should have avoided it" (like "Why didn't you take a different road home to avoid that car accident?") or was simply a whore with morning remorse.
It is a HORRIBLE thing....yet so many just laugh it off.
v/r,
CPT Butler
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Sgt Adam Jennings
I never said its a joke nor did I ever say that they always ask for it. I merely pointed out how the system is automatically inclined to believe the female side, especially without any kind of hard evidence on the male's part.
Perhaps if people would be abstinent until they are married a lot of this problem would be solved, but then again, that's a whole other can of worms. A lot of people get married just for the benefits or because of puppy love.
Perhaps if people would be abstinent until they are married a lot of this problem would be solved, but then again, that's a whole other can of worms. A lot of people get married just for the benefits or because of puppy love.
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Pepper Conchobhar
Oh admit it. We women have jacked this situation up completely. WE - as a group - don't even know what we want anymore. We've shifted the definition of 'rape' into areas so grey that Benjamin-Moore can't clearly illustrate it.
IMHO, this is ALL about encouraging women to avoid personal responsibility. The fact that you can seriously sit there and say that, if a woman signed a freaking FORM consenting to sex, that she *still* isn't responsible for HER actions, just makes me sick.
As a woman, I find this attitude to be the pinnacle of degrading, sexist misogyny.
We are adults. We're capable of protecting ourselves. We're capable of taking responsibility for OUR actions. And yeah, when we push a situation so far that we do send signals (like signing a freaking card saying, "I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS MAN"), then we should accept responsibility for our own behavior. No. This doesn't give men license to screw a woman who's passed out drunk or to ignore a clear 'no'. Most rational human beings do understand 'the line'.
I am not a freaking infant and I resent being treated like one by insecure women like YOU. If you have a problem communicating with men, setting boundaries, and dealing with the opposite sex in a social setting, then admit that YOU have a problem and stop going anywhere without a chaperone. Don't terrorize half the species with your insecure BS.
The solution is simple. Guys need to stop putting out until women - as a group - decide wtf we want.
Seriously, you've got to admit that the idea is funny. All the attention whores not getting attention. Women hitting on men left and right and the guys coldly saying, "I've got a girlfriend'. Men pushing women away after making out with them for ten minutes and saying, "No means no, buddy."
It would drive women in-sane.
IMHO, this is ALL about encouraging women to avoid personal responsibility. The fact that you can seriously sit there and say that, if a woman signed a freaking FORM consenting to sex, that she *still* isn't responsible for HER actions, just makes me sick.
As a woman, I find this attitude to be the pinnacle of degrading, sexist misogyny.
We are adults. We're capable of protecting ourselves. We're capable of taking responsibility for OUR actions. And yeah, when we push a situation so far that we do send signals (like signing a freaking card saying, "I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS MAN"), then we should accept responsibility for our own behavior. No. This doesn't give men license to screw a woman who's passed out drunk or to ignore a clear 'no'. Most rational human beings do understand 'the line'.
I am not a freaking infant and I resent being treated like one by insecure women like YOU. If you have a problem communicating with men, setting boundaries, and dealing with the opposite sex in a social setting, then admit that YOU have a problem and stop going anywhere without a chaperone. Don't terrorize half the species with your insecure BS.
The solution is simple. Guys need to stop putting out until women - as a group - decide wtf we want.
Seriously, you've got to admit that the idea is funny. All the attention whores not getting attention. Women hitting on men left and right and the guys coldly saying, "I've got a girlfriend'. Men pushing women away after making out with them for ten minutes and saying, "No means no, buddy."
It would drive women in-sane.
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SGT (Join to see) I knew there was an "app for that" LOL but what I wonder is how would it stand up if put to the test, as 1SG (Join to see) said, "A yes can always become a no. Doesn't matter whether it is signed off by both parties 2 minutes ago."
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CPT Russell Pitre
SpaceBalls -Virgin Alarm (1987)
this movie is about the ruler of a planet hires a mercenary to rescue his daughter from kidnappers this is one of my favorite parts in this movie enjoy :)
What ever happened to just having a good all time. It reminds me of the virgin alarm in Space Balls. It was a comedy poking fun at Star Wars.
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It's a joke.....but a sad one because this is almost what it takes to CYA these days....
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
I wouldn't doubt it will soon come to past, yes to CYA with all the issues in todays ranks.
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Pepper Conchobhar
Yeah, but there's a SHARP brat on here saying that EVEN THIS wouldn't protect a man against accusations. This has gotten ridiculous.
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As a VA/SHARP, let me state emphatically this is NOT a legally viable safeguard to prevent someone from filing a charge of sexual assault against you! This is nothing more than barracks lawyering at it's finest! I am not an attorney, but in most states, a couple of signatures on a card is not a valid contract; particularly after the consumption of a few drinks! Know the law where you live. When you go out, don't go alone and have a plan. Above all else, just do the right thing, even when nobody else is watching you!
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I have to admit that I have mentioned something like this in safety briefs. Get a signed consent form. I have also stated that it doesn't mean things can't change, but it's best to be sure from the get go. I've mentioned checking your partner's identification to properly determine if they are of legal age before partaking in any bumping of naughty bits. I don't like the bottom part of this at all. That's dangerous and points towards this being thought of as a get out of jail free card, when it isn't even close. Bring that card in with a smug look on your face after being accused of rape and you'll likely make your situation much worse.
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MAJ (Join to see)
As with many of these ideas, they are rooted in the world of academia. Here's one such example.
ttp://libertyunyielding.com/2014/03/09/california-activists-seek-redefine-quiet-consensual-sex-rape/
ttp://libertyunyielding.com/2014/03/09/california-activists-seek-redefine-quiet-consensual-sex-rape/
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SSG Eddye Royal
Are you really, thinking about having the Officers sign under your Chain of Command or is the POST Commander looking at all Option(s) after the Trail ending ina Mis-Trail? Would like on your response? Part 2, with Congress Woman wants to take this issue out of your Leadership DOMAIN how do you feel about this?
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MAJ (Join to see)
This form is a complete waste of time, all the accuser has to say is she initially consented then changed her mind and the card isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
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Since it's for the Army, shouldn't there be two lines for both males to sign? :)
But, seriously, is this thing for real? It wouldn't surprise me if it was in this day and age of BS being foisted on our military.
But, seriously, is this thing for real? It wouldn't surprise me if it was in this day and age of BS being foisted on our military.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Ouch, touché Cpl Mark McMiller. There will need to be a transgender line too. Perhaps just a question mark.
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A lot of people have reacted mentioning that this won't be considered valid consent across the board. While I can see there could still be commentary on impairment before signature and coercion, surely a signed consent document is more credible than a verbal agreement intrinsically? We're getting to the point where the only ironclad mutual consent will be video recording of the entire interaction, from initial meeting through parting, with multiple mentions of no impairment or coercion by both parties, demonstrations of competency prior to and following the act and repeated camera sweeps of the surrounding area before, during and after to show the context.
I think I've established my bona-fides elsewhere on related threads as a firm believer in consent and against assault, and in empowerment and protection of all people, but consent rules are becoming unattainable. This makes people want to ignore them and drop back to just muddling through it the old fashioned way. This creates more risk of it going wrong.
I think I've established my bona-fides elsewhere on related threads as a firm believer in consent and against assault, and in empowerment and protection of all people, but consent rules are becoming unattainable. This makes people want to ignore them and drop back to just muddling through it the old fashioned way. This creates more risk of it going wrong.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
Capt Richard I P., and of course filming such interactions is chargeable under the UCMJ.
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20130529/NEWS/305290002/Making-sex-tape-crime-troops-court-rules
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20130529/NEWS/305290002/Making-sex-tape-crime-troops-court-rules
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As funny as it is this wouldn't work because of the fact one party or the other could change their mind after signing and then everything following is ok? NO. There almost needs to be a before and after act signature block for both parties!
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I've never hear or seen this before. If I had to guess, it is probably a unit thing.
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