Posted on Mar 19, 2014
SSG Robert Burns
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What is the point of listing each Army Value and a block for each one.  For example integiry-lives the army values.  It is assumed that if you get a "no" on one then you automatically get a "no" for that one.

What difference does it make?  You either live them or you dont.  Does it matter which one you didnt live up to?

It should be Yes/No then comments.

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1SG Shane Hansen
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I am confused by your tactics here.  It almost sounds like you are downplaying the army values and what they mean and how a rated NCO best represents what the military wants from their leaders.  I wouldn't mind it if the whole NCOER was just the army values.  All the stuff on the back will fall in place if you actually truly live up to all of the army values.
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SSG Robert Burns
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1SG, Im not sure how you draw all of those conclusions from me stating that you either live the Army Values or you don't.
Besides that, to your point about wanting the whole NCOER to be about the Army Values I say this.  It's an evaluation of your performance.  Living the Army Values is what you are supposed to do.  It's nothing special.  It is the minimal standard.  Its like being recognized for taking care of your kids, or paying child support.  That's what you are SUPPOSED to do.
Under responsibility would you post a bullet that says, "didn't lose his government credit card?"
It is the expectation to live them.  All I am saying is, if they didn't, mark "NO" and explain what they violated.
But to have everyone rated SOLEY on Army Values as you suggest would be a discredit to everyone.
If you truly live up to all the army values all the stuff will fall in place on the back?  Im not sure I understand that.  Because if someone gets a needs improvement under a section doesn't necessarily mean they don't live the Army Values.  I don't know how comfortable I'd be saying someone who failed their APFT because they got hurt or sick, or need some retraining in their career field under competence, would be a NO in Army Values.
Additionally just because you are living the Army Values doesn't mean you are necessarily good at your job, or "among the best" either.  The Army Values are the bare minimum you need to be in this organization.  The stuff on the back, that's what you do or don't do in addition to that minimum standard.
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What you are saying makes sense, but at the same time we need to try to be as specific as possible on the NCOER.  I think leaving it more vague will only make our current NCOER less effective and more problematic than it already has.  If someone violates the Army Values and it is reflected on the NCOER, it should be as specific as possible explaining exactly what the deficiency is.
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SSG Robert Burns
SSG Robert Burns
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THat's what I am saying the comments are for.
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Roger.  I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, it's just my opinion.
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I see what your saying, but it seams like an unnecessary change
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