Posted on Jan 7, 2014
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<p>From a personal standpoint I had a roommate who was busted from Sergeant to Airman First Class.&nbsp; There were a few reasons for this Article 15 but his personal hygiene and the way his locked smelled,&nbsp;&nbsp; made the Squadron Commander&nbsp;irate.</p><p><br></p><p>After he lost his rank I felt quite odd.&nbsp;&nbsp; In one sense very sad for him because loss of any kind is not pleasant for anyone.&nbsp;&nbsp; I could have imagined his embarrassment and shame.&nbsp;&nbsp; His bust was temporary but left an odd sensation with me.</p><p><br></p><p>Have you ever had to report a troop that resulted in their bust and what were your feelings?</p>
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SSG Trevor S.
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My own personal policy on recommending UCMJ action had two co-equal circumstances that forced me to make the decision to recommend.
1. Blatant and/ or public disregard of regulation and / or disrespect that cannot be "pulled aside" because of the Soldier's own intentional actions.
2. Blatant and continued inability to conform to regulations AFTER extensive attempts by me or a combination of the leadership team to rehabilitate the Soldier.
In either of these circumstances, the leader has to remember that the Soldier did it to themselves. It's never "easy" even if the decision is set in stone by the Soldier's actions.
In the first circumstance the unit's discipline would erode if the Soldier presented disrespect and and insubordination without consequence where other Soldiers would witness it. If it was anywhere near possible I tried handling this with corrective training, but a blatant "F You!" in formation followed by refusal to follow orders to check the attitude is hard to ignore. As is, a Soldier wearing an oversized coat to the PX, picking up a random item, waving at the camera, putting it in the jacket, and walking outside and waiting for the MPs to arrest him because he couldn't think of any other way to get kicked out.
The second situation meant every effort was expended and the Soldier still persisted on a path of personal professional disregard.
I never liked that part of the profession, but it was part of leadership.
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SGT Mitch McKinley
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The biggest issue with the A15 process is this: even if you believe that you have substantial evidence weighing in your favor as the accused...there really isn't anyone in your corner. I am living proof of this.

I won't bore anyone with the details...but both JAG and the Group commander said that I should never have been reduced based on the evidence presented.
The Group Commander was the appeal authority. He told me he had every reason to overturn or suspend the A15 (field grade), but only one to uphold it. And he chose to uphold the BN commanders decision because what message would it send to the Group if he didn't trust his BN commanders to do what was right and in the best interest of those in their command, by overturning their administrative actions.
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