Posted on Oct 21, 2016
As a leader do you feel that Land Navigation should be taken out from the Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development System (NCOPDS)?
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Are you nuts??? What genius came up with the idea land navigation should be dropped from any leadership course---If anything thing---more problems and solutions should be added. While I'm on my rant---Hand to hand self defense should be part of not only leadership courses, but training for all services. People in the military should have the skills to defend themselves bear handed.
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hand to hand... if you mean the Married Army Couples Program (MACP) its a joke its become a Martial Sport to win tournaments.....Even the army cant decide what to teach since SF get SOCP
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1SG Patrick Sims
SSG Stinsom--When I was a 1st Sergeant I had two guys in my company who were very good at martial arts. I had them set up a hand to hand training program. No Bruce Lee stuff, mind you, just enough to give the troops self-confidence. It worked better than I had ever hoped. We actually had people in other companies want to participate in the training.
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I along with almost everyone here think this skill should be taught. Just like hand to hand combat is still taught. I am a retired AF Security Policeman/Forces member, and I can still use a map and compass, thanks in large part to my ABD training and going through Army ABD Level 2 training at Ft Dix.
Technology fails and proven old school technology needs to be taught. Along those lines, being able to use the sun and a stick for a rough compass should be taught. Maybe even horsemanship, trapping skills, fishing skills.
Technology fails and proven old school technology needs to be taught. Along those lines, being able to use the sun and a stick for a rough compass should be taught. Maybe even horsemanship, trapping skills, fishing skills.
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No I do not, I feel land navigation is the bread and butter of each and every Soldier.
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When the engineer units opened the berm in preparation for Desert Storm, they ran blades for at least five kilcks to clear any mine fields. The Mud Puppies went out with "T" posts, and pie plates to mark the lanes. One of the Magellan units died, and in the darkness, the lane moved left until it ran into the next one. I guess someone forgot the grid-magnetic variant.
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Who Ask these DA Questions, Of Course Not, My God its Basic Common Since to be able to use a Map and Compass.
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No, a little thing called EMP can ruin a our high tech gear. Land navigation is a vital skill that should always be a part of our kit.
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No. way. ever. Core skills need to be there when you need them. If you have the mindset of "plan for the worst and hope for the best" you may begin to understand. Worst case scenario of no generators, GPS, communications, vehicles, rations or weapons and you become a foot mobile survivor with a fighting knife (hopefully) and your wits. Any academic leader that entertains removing a core skill in order to add more CYA info does not need to be in the teaching business. Things like this get folks through tough patches and survivability is paramount to mission success. Best Wishes to all.
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no tool should be removed, every thing that might be needed should be available.
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