Posted on May 12, 2014
As leaders, what strengths and weaknesses do we see in our Soldiers coming out of BCT/AIT?
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We've all heard that we have a softer Army, and that things aren't done like they used to be. And, I'm not asking whether that's good or bad. But, with the "young" (whether by age or by military experience) Soldiers coming in to our ranks, what strengths do you see being brought, and what challenges are you having to face in training them to be the Soldiers that they you want in your unit? I welcome input from everyone, not just Squad Leader or higher, because even junior Soldiers need to be looking left and right to help their buddy, as well as learn from them. Feel free to speak up and speak out! Thanks for getting involved!
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I think young Soldiers these days bring strengths and weaknesses. Let's start with the strengths. I think young Soldiers today are very technically oriented, probably because they all grew up with video games. The Army is getting more technologically advanced, so this is a good thing. They are also way smarter these days than when I came in. A better educated Army is a better all-around Army. Unless, that is, they use their intelligence to troubleshoot the Army or their leaders and pick holes in every order, policy, and regulation. This is where weaknesses come in. Yes, the higher average education of young Soldiers can be a weakness, not necessarily for the Soldier, but for the Army, morale, and unit cohesion. They are less likely to blindly follow orders without questioning them, which causes more time to be used thoroughly explaining why you want a ditch dug instead of just saying, "dig that ditch". Smartass Soldiers challenge NCOs and officers and create dissension and confusion in the ranks. Another weakness in young Soldiers today is resiliency. Most kids are just not mentally or physically strong enough when they first come in. Some persevere and build that strength, others fold in BCT and quit. They are so used to being treated with kid gloves on the outside that they can't take somebody yelling at them. They are couch potato gamers, so they can't do ten pushups. Their bicycle helmeted, knee-padded, politically correct, no child left behind, everyone gets a trophy for participating, never had to work outside, hand sanitized existence has made them weak! Today's Soldiers really do have it easier though. Remember having to order pubs? Now, you just Google the reg. Remember having to fill out every form by hand or by typewriter? Not anymore. Remember SQTs? Shining boots? Pressing BDUs? All gone. Screw it....I am throwing out my stress card!
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MAJ (Join to see)
Thank you, SFC Carden! I do see that quite a bit. I enlisted at the age of 36 (not far from when I could have retired if I'd joined while in college), running around with the 18-19 y/olds... even being older than the DSs. We did have quite a few very intelligent individuals, and a few of those tried to leverage that in their favor, especially when it was time for the physical activities. (It rarely worked in their favor!)
So, the second part is how do we develop these Soldiers to be tougher, to stretch themselves to be a person they might not have even dreamed about being? How do we "grow" them?
So, the second part is how do we develop these Soldiers to be tougher, to stretch themselves to be a person they might not have even dreamed about being? How do we "grow" them?
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SFC Stephen Carden
I say we take away the easy out. In other words, when they make the commitment to join the Army, make them honor their commitment. Injuries and mental health problems aside, if they are just whiners , lazy, or weak, we hold them to their word and make them train. It is a volunteer Army and nobody twisted your arm to be here, but now that you're here, you belong to the Army and you are going to train. Once they let go of the notion that they can just quit and go home, they will adapt and become stronger both mentally and physically every day. Pretty soon, they will look and behave like Soldiers.
When I was a kid going through basic training, it was hard for me. I had never been away from home before, and even though I was a high school athlete, I wasn't in very good shape. However, the thought of quitting never even entered my mind and by the end of training, I was a different man. My body adapted because my mind adapted.
When I was a kid going through basic training, it was hard for me. I had never been away from home before, and even though I was a high school athlete, I wasn't in very good shape. However, the thought of quitting never even entered my mind and by the end of training, I was a different man. My body adapted because my mind adapted.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I agree with your COA. I just hope that we still get the Soldiers where that will work! While you or I might not consider quitting as an option, I'm not sure of the current mindset. I would hope we still have that!
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Like what MAJ Sheridan mentioned, with the downsizing of the military, I believe recruiters are being more selective of who they try to get on board. I believe we will start to see more educated, obedient (in the sense that they will respect elders/higher ranking members), and will contribute to our organization. Even though we will get these ideal candidates, it's up to TRADOC on setting the standards on how BCT/AIT should be ran. With the downsizing going on, should we revert ourselves back to the harsh/difficult, no stress-card situations at BCT/AIT and toughen our service members up again for an elite force?
For strengths, I do see a lot of compassion to serve from many of the "recruits" coming in to our units (on the NG side). I do see a lot of them wanting to learn and make the most of their time on the weekends. I have even seen many PVT's stepping up to the ball and leading classes or taking that leap of faith and stepping out of their comfort levels to ask questions make those mistakes and learn from them; which in turn teaches their battle buddies what not to do.
For weaknesses, I do see quite a bit of laziness. With smartphones and access to the internet everywhere, I am constantly seeing service members on facebook or what have you between classes, after/before formations, basically any free time they have. Instead of conversing with their fellow service members, bettering themselves physically and mentally they need to post status and check to see how their friends are doing. I am guilty of this as well, but have caught myself quite a bit and put myself in check and put away my phone and only pull it out when needed.
For strengths, I do see a lot of compassion to serve from many of the "recruits" coming in to our units (on the NG side). I do see a lot of them wanting to learn and make the most of their time on the weekends. I have even seen many PVT's stepping up to the ball and leading classes or taking that leap of faith and stepping out of their comfort levels to ask questions make those mistakes and learn from them; which in turn teaches their battle buddies what not to do.
For weaknesses, I do see quite a bit of laziness. With smartphones and access to the internet everywhere, I am constantly seeing service members on facebook or what have you between classes, after/before formations, basically any free time they have. Instead of conversing with their fellow service members, bettering themselves physically and mentally they need to post status and check to see how their friends are doing. I am guilty of this as well, but have caught myself quite a bit and put myself in check and put away my phone and only pull it out when needed.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Thanks, LT(P) Christensen! I hope the recruiters will toughen up their hiring standards. Time will tell
I'm glad you're seeing eager recruits coming in. I'm seeing a mixed bag, but that part is definitely encouraging. We (leaders) need to seek this individuals out and harness that initiative in manner that betters them as well as the organization. Utilization without burn-out.
I have mixed feelings about the use of technology. If it's interacting with friends during drill or work, a definite NO GO. However, if they're researching something, I don't have an issue with that. It's up to leadership to keep them engaged and functioning to minimize downtime. While I was a SPC, I'd bring my laptop and personal internet so that I could work on schoolwork during downtime. As long as the Soldier's motivated and using the time wisely (preferably for military, but at least to better him/herself), I have no issues. Thanks!
I'm glad you're seeing eager recruits coming in. I'm seeing a mixed bag, but that part is definitely encouraging. We (leaders) need to seek this individuals out and harness that initiative in manner that betters them as well as the organization. Utilization without burn-out.
I have mixed feelings about the use of technology. If it's interacting with friends during drill or work, a definite NO GO. However, if they're researching something, I don't have an issue with that. It's up to leadership to keep them engaged and functioning to minimize downtime. While I was a SPC, I'd bring my laptop and personal internet so that I could work on schoolwork during downtime. As long as the Soldier's motivated and using the time wisely (preferably for military, but at least to better him/herself), I have no issues. Thanks!
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CPT Brandon Christensen
I agree with you on that Sir. I have hounded my NCO's to keep an eye on that and I have even stepped in (respectfully) and mentioned they shouldn't be on social media sites during work hours and if they were bored or had nothing to do, to take initative and ask their squad leaders/ PSG. There is always something that needs to get done. Otherwise do some correspondence courses. Something.
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Sir, I am honestly disappointed with most of our new soldiers. Many of them show up from basic/AIT already tryin to get a med board. Many of the others have absolutely no discipline or respect for NCO's when they first arrive. They also tend to try and go to jag with every little thing they disagree with. Between the increasingly poor family environments and the loosened standards at Basic/AIT soldiers just aren't the same. I remember showing up at my new unit terrified of senior NCO's. Although that may not be ideal I would trade it for what we have now.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Thank you, SGT Gibson! I've seen some of the discipline and lack of respect for NCOs that you mention, but (consider me lucky, so far) I haven't seen it wide-spread, yet. As for the med-board, I haven't seen that in my units (Reserves), at least not until it's time to mob!
You remind me of when I was going through BCT--mind you I'm a 36 y/o SPC. We were going through chow line, and they had to swap out the serving pan as I came up. It took a while, so I got separated from the rest of my class, and the DFAC was full. Giving up on finding my class, I just wanted to hurry and eat, and I'd see them as they got up to leave. I saw a table with only 3 Soldiers sitting at (seats 6), so I hustled over, sat my tray down, and glanced at their confounded faces as I began to sit down. My eyes dropped to their ranks... E-6 and 7s--DSs. My heart sank; my mouth dropped. I fumbled to say, "Excuse me! I'm sorry, Drill Sergeants!" as I grabbed my tray! Good times (looking back on it!!)! :)
You remind me of when I was going through BCT--mind you I'm a 36 y/o SPC. We were going through chow line, and they had to swap out the serving pan as I came up. It took a while, so I got separated from the rest of my class, and the DFAC was full. Giving up on finding my class, I just wanted to hurry and eat, and I'd see them as they got up to leave. I saw a table with only 3 Soldiers sitting at (seats 6), so I hustled over, sat my tray down, and glanced at their confounded faces as I began to sit down. My eyes dropped to their ranks... E-6 and 7s--DSs. My heart sank; my mouth dropped. I fumbled to say, "Excuse me! I'm sorry, Drill Sergeants!" as I grabbed my tray! Good times (looking back on it!!)! :)
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CPT Brandon Christensen
I remember being terrified of my senior NCO's when I first enlisted. Hard-core NCO's. But that was the day (2002). Now most come in thinking they (new recruits) are the top dog. But I still get a few that are scared crapless when they get their initial counseling done by an LT alone in a room for simple things like the commanders interview for getting a military license.
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