Posted on Dec 23, 2013
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What would be your perception of an NCO with 5+ years sponsoring his Soldier to the promotion board and still wearing Class A's? Should you really be hearing the excuse about the wear out date?
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if the NCO is retiring or separating from the Army before the mandatory date, there should be no reason for them to go thru the extra expense, on the other hand, if you are making the Army a career, there is no reason to use the excuse about the wear out date
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MSG Intelligence Senior Sergeant/Chief Intelligence Sergeant
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My Opinion (disclaimer for those that wait to pounce),


I purchased my ASUs as soon as they hit clothing sales. I would encourage anyone that is going to take a DA photo to do the same. I believe that your board file makes or breaks your promotion chances. Board members get into a mindset of what a Soldier that wants to get promoted looks like.  I sat on a digital E-7 promotion board, and the difference in the photos with greens and ASUs was like night and day. I do feel that leaders should take into account the rank of the Soldier. Junior enlisted Soldiers and junior NCOs should be given some latitude.


If I was set to retire before the wear out date, ok got it. If you have any years left, my recommendation is to get them to be competitive with your peers. I watched a MSG in a previous unit wear BDUs until the day she PCSd. It was a two star command. When we were together collectively, for any reason, she stood out like a sore thumb. I was a SFC at the time, and made the mistake of wearing BDUs in the first week of being assigned to the unit. My boss at the time was a LTC and he called me into his office for a conversation about my highly pressed BDUs and polished boots. Needless to say, the thrift shop on base was on the list of places to visit that week.


Again, just my opinion. If my peers decide to wear greens in their DA photo, I am good with that. Board members form their own perception of what today's Soldier should look like. Look out for your career.

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SSG (ret) William Martin
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The answer is UCDPP with a $500 limit and its of course tax and interest free.  A SM can buy the entire ASU package and pay $50 a month until its paid off.  This can be found at the Clothing and Sale store.  I believe this program is automatic or you don't need awesome credit to get it.  I purchased mine with my clothing money they way it is supposed to be done.  I wanted to set the standard and be the standard when it wasn't a requirement.  I strongly suggest SMs start buying the ASUs. 
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SFC James Baber
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I think this is a good thread for those we are trying to get to join can see the substance of some things we discuss between us as current and former military, soft spoken as well as informational and mentoring types of postings.


We also have fun at times while remaining professional.

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MSG Martinis Butler
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I would have to agree
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MAJ Samuel Weber
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I think there should be no excuse. If you're an NCO with more than 4 years on Active duty you have received a substantial clothing allowance each year (Maxed after 4 years). Now we all know that rarely is the clothing allowance spent on military clothing. It seems that Soldiers buy the uniforms they like or want. Do you remember when the ACUs first came out? Soldiers were happy to spend the money to not polish boots and press uniforms. 

Bottom-line: Any self respecting NCO should make the investment to purchase a good ASU and set the example. 
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SSG Robert Burns
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If your excuse is the wear out date, then we should also be talking about your ETS date.
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SSG Spo Ncoic/Platoon Sergeant/Sarc
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Absolutely not battle...NCO's lead from the front and set the standard for others to follow. We are the backbone and should have zero excuses. Every year every soldier receives a clothing allowance that that individual could have easily applied towards his/her's ASU's. 
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Doesn't take initiative.

Shouldn't be hearing the excuse from an NCO with Soldiers.
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As a Soldier that was not pre-9/11, I view this from a slightly different angle. &nbsp;While I see your point and did adhere strictly to regulations during my enlisted time (fear the SGM, haha).<div><br></div><div>I think a 'buck' SGT sponsoring a Soldier (assuming his Soldier was well prepared) to a promotion board is taking the initiative to develop his soldiers. &nbsp;I have seen a several NCOs over the last 5 years that haven't cared for the development of those under them and it is probably one of my biggest peeves.</div><div><br></div><div>Secondly, if there is a "wear-out date" &nbsp;that is the standard, regulation date that Greens are acceptable set by echelons higher than you or me. &nbsp;This clearly means that it cannot be held against the Soldier in question.</div><div><br>While all of this is true, a Top-Tier NCO would convert to the latest professional attire at the earliest convenience to set himself/herself as an example to all those around them.</div>
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Nothing is being held against anyone (just a personal opinion), but this basically goes back to simply 'meeting a standard'.<br><br>Soldier, NCOs especially, that simply 'meet a standard' will not last long in today's Army.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Besides, it sets a poor example for your Soldiers to emulate.
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SGT(P) Section Leader
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You pump me up, MSG(P) Quick. I'm not lazy, but reading some of your posts...I feel lazy. Makes me want to get after it and train the hell out of my Squad.
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SGT Chris Hill
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Hearing the excuse of the wear out date? Isn't that established by someone with much higher rank than anyone we serve with? Thats the type of loopholes that pisses people off, if the big army says your soldiers have this long to wear a uniform, then follow that guideline.
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SSG Section Sergeant
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To me it's all about supporting the Army's decision on where they want us to be. Whether we like it or not.
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