Posted on Aug 5, 2015
At what point should an NCO write their own NCOER?
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You better take a very active role in your report card......If that means writing a report full of "recommended bullets" then I suggest you do just that!
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
So, was this thread an ambush in waiting, if so, your tact lacks integrity SSG Brian Marshall.
Assuming sarcasm was in your reply, I'll be your huckleberry....just because we are a leader does not mean we are all knowing. When we quit allowing input from subordinates, it is time for us to find a new vacation because we become consumed in serving ourselves instead of serving our people.
A good practice I learned was to enter into monthly performance counseling with an outline and complete the counseling with input from the Soldier. I have also used the technique of allowing Soldiers to complete their own counseling and compared it to the counseling I prepared for them as well. If you have never done this, I encourage you to explore that technique as it might surprise you with the results.
So, with these points in mind, there is no problem with outlining accomplishments that are important to you. You should have input....and very soon, you WILL have input!
Assuming sarcasm was in your reply, I'll be your huckleberry....just because we are a leader does not mean we are all knowing. When we quit allowing input from subordinates, it is time for us to find a new vacation because we become consumed in serving ourselves instead of serving our people.
A good practice I learned was to enter into monthly performance counseling with an outline and complete the counseling with input from the Soldier. I have also used the technique of allowing Soldiers to complete their own counseling and compared it to the counseling I prepared for them as well. If you have never done this, I encourage you to explore that technique as it might surprise you with the results.
So, with these points in mind, there is no problem with outlining accomplishments that are important to you. You should have input....and very soon, you WILL have input!
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SSG Brian Marshall
Oh no not at all CSM. I just don't think it is ever right to write your own NCOER. I didn't mean any disrespect with that. I just feel that most of today's senior NCO's think its beneath them to write the NCOER and help mold the NCO's under them. I agree that there are many different techniques to counseling and those are very valid points.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
The rater should not expect the rated NCO to write their own report however, I am not naïve to believe it does not happen. I'm sure your heard the adage that goes something similar to "10% of your people will cause 90% of the problems causing you to spend 90% of your time with 10% of the people", that same thought could create a focus on the problems rather than those that are doing the right things.
When a rater "expects" the subordinate NCO to write their own report, it is typically due to several factors:
1. Subordinate is a proven stellar performer.
2. Senior trusts the subordinate unequivocally.
3. Senior is overwhelmed with a focus on the negative performers in the unit and thus not spending the quality time needed for everyone equally.
When a rater "expects" the subordinate NCO to write their own report, it is typically due to several factors:
1. Subordinate is a proven stellar performer.
2. Senior trusts the subordinate unequivocally.
3. Senior is overwhelmed with a focus on the negative performers in the unit and thus not spending the quality time needed for everyone equally.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
CSM Michael J. Uhlig with the utmost respect, well said and profoundly conveyed to the simplest terms! Hoohaa.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig thanks for the advice. NCOs and civilians take notice! Great words of wisdom!
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I agree never, with the NEW NCOER coming out it should be more equitable for a fair rating. However, when I was in the Army in which 20 and half years of was an NCO. I wrote a rough draft, because my raters always used my draft for the real NCOER. My first NCOER. The rating chain never did a counseling, unless the CSM inspected it. " I don't encourage it, but who really knows your career like you do". It's one of those things " don't ask, don't tell." In the end take care of yourself.
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SSG Brian Marshall
I agree, but it just seems now a days the NCO is to weak to stand up for themselves when placed in a situation such as this for fear of reprisal. I to this date have refused to ever write my own NCOER and I've been one since 2000.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL -
I said essentially the same thing! Great minds think alike and all that. Lol
I can't think of any time that I didn't add fodder and craft some smartly-worded bullets for my EPR. It ensured that I my career wasn't in the hands of a piss-poor writer. They had the hack after I crafted it, but I had a hand in its progression.
I said essentially the same thing! Great minds think alike and all that. Lol
I can't think of any time that I didn't add fodder and craft some smartly-worded bullets for my EPR. It ensured that I my career wasn't in the hands of a piss-poor writer. They had the hack after I crafted it, but I had a hand in its progression.
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