Posted on Mar 5, 2019
Barred from promotion, what happens now?
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Failed four promotion boards. Getting barred prior to my four year mark.
I’ve heard different things: that I may get chaptered for “failure to promote” or something along the lines. If that true how does it work. The main question I have is how long do I have left in the service. Any kind of reference material would be appreciated.
I’ve heard different things: that I may get chaptered for “failure to promote” or something along the lines. If that true how does it work. The main question I have is how long do I have left in the service. Any kind of reference material would be appreciated.
Posted 7 y ago
Responses: 15
Why aren't you asking your superiors? Your 1st Sgt. etc. Why did you fail four promotion boards? It seems the most pertinent questions are those you should answer to yourself...……..
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Revolt! Just kidding. Eh, it happens. On the Marine side you generally just ride out your contract unless you are retirement eligible. They could potentially admin separate you, but if you are still working, why would they. If it is because of poor performance or NJPs, if they were going to boot you they probably would have done it already.
It's kind of a wait and see because it is a case-by-case situation generally. Good Luck!
It's kind of a wait and see because it is a case-by-case situation generally. Good Luck!
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PVT(P) Aaron M. M. Bryant
I still have three and half years, if I’m barred does that mean I can’t PCS either?
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Cpl Shane Cunningham
Marine side, you can PCS if you have 2 years left. I'd go with LTC Stephen Conway's lead though.
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Cpl Shane Cunningham - Yeah defiantly not how it works in the marine corps or the army. You can only be a certain rank for x amount of years in either service or you will get separated doesn't matter how long you have left. Also if you are passed over a certain amount of times you will be forced out or forced to retire depends on how far you are along in your career. My old Ssgt was just forced to retire because he was passed over for master guns twice, I had an old sgt who hit the 12 year mark didn't make SSgt and was barred from re-enlistment and given a severance package so there are a lot of rules and regs out there and a lot change over time.
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PVT(P) Aaron M. M. Bryant - Spc there are a lot of variables to that but if the legal paperwork has already started for your Bar and the process to separate you then yes they can absolutely bar you from a PCS.
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You’ll be barred, COC can review it after 90 days, after the 90 days they will lift your bar, they can’t bar you again unless you mess it up for yourself. Once that happens your Plt Sgt doesn’t have to send you to the board anymore but you’ll start to get counseled on why you are not going back to the board. You haven’t hit RCP and are not anywhere near it. They can not separate you from the Army because you haven’t passed a board in the 4th year of your enlistment. Once you are not barred anymore I would try my best to get from underneath your COC and start somewhere fresh. I don’t see why a COC is allowing a soldier to continue to fail a board 4 times. I hope your doing practice boards in front of other NCOs so you can build confidence. There’s no way you slip past them and then get in front of a whole bunch of senior leaders just to fail 4 times. You COC has to take some accountability for that and that’s why I say get from underneath that COC because it’s not just your fault, it’s there’s as well.
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I am never seen a chapter called failure to promote. I have seen Soldiers reach their Retention Control Point. It use to be 8 years as a Specialist. I think it recently changed.
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So your best bet is to look into AR 600-8-19 Enlisted promotions and reductions for specifics, as anything I post here will be based on my current understanding. My current understanding is the bar is for reenlistment purposes based on the Army putting an up or out policy on their junior enlisted. If you are barred for a period of six months your unit can start chapter proceedings based on continued misconduct. My experience is if your unit maintains the bar you will just be allowed to ride out your contract and not be allowed to reenlist. As always if your future is uncertain in the military start to prepare yourself for transition. Continue to look for opportunities to advance if staying in is your goal but be aware that that decision could be made for you now and be ready for whatever happens
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