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How do you feel about Battle Assembly on a Holiday. In my experience I find scheduling Battle Assembly on a Holiday bad planning. I understand that some Holidays are unavoidable due to time and resources. What are your thoughts? Have you been to Battle Assembly on a national holiday? Was it avoidable?
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Poor planning - if your operations / training puts it on the schedule and doesn't vet it during YTB there's no excuse for it. Period.
I've been a part of YTB at company and BN level and we go as far as to avoid times that are big local events (race day, college football, etc.) Partly because you want to let your soldiers and their families spend that time together, and partly to avoid traveling during busy weekends - for safety if nothing else.
I've been a part of YTB at company and BN level and we go as far as to avoid times that are big local events (race day, college football, etc.) Partly because you want to let your soldiers and their families spend that time together, and partly to avoid traveling during busy weekends - for safety if nothing else.
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MSG Brian Breaker
CPT Haris Balcinovic,
We did the same thing. If BA fell during the Florida Georgia game or UF homecoming weekend we rescheduled. When the Super Bowl was in Jacksonville, FL years ago we made sure we didn't schedule anything that day.
We did the same thing. If BA fell during the Florida Georgia game or UF homecoming weekend we rescheduled. When the Super Bowl was in Jacksonville, FL years ago we made sure we didn't schedule anything that day.
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LTC (Join to see)
The usually also avoid Super Bowl weekend (I may have had to drill one time on it but the Super Bowl has evolved into a near-national holiday over the years!) however, trying to avoid other athletic events could prove difficult.
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As a former National Guard company commander my focus was on retention...you work very very hard to recruit new members but it is imperative that you retain those that you already have and avoid the revolving door syndrome... which breaks up cohesiveness, especially in a reserve component outfit...so my my thoughts are NO Keep the spouse and kids happy about the SM being in the your unit and you will retain far more personnel through good planning. AT's can be tough to avoid sometimes but holidays on normal drills are avoidable for the most part as planners.
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MSG Brian Breaker
MAJ Anthony DeStefano,
I agree sometime AT is unavoidable. I have done that many of times.
I agree sometime AT is unavoidable. I have done that many of times.
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I've drilled on mother's and father's day and once on a memorial day, I absolutely agree that it is poor planning on the staff/commander. If holidays/remembrances/super bowl can be avoided I believe they should be. However, we signed a contract and committed to do our time and no where in the contract were holidays excluded. Sometimes we just have to suck it up and do our duty.
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SPC Robert Hallowell
Duty? I suppose. I've spent every holiday at war. That's not why I chose not to renew the contract. It was this attitude at home. It doesn't make any real difference at all to anyone what part of the month I work on my sexual harassment proficiency training but it definitely makes a difference to everyone that matters that I can't spend holidays with them.
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SSG (Join to see)
Never drilled on Mothers day but fathers day always seemed to pop up on a drill weekend.
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Generally speaking, holidays should be (and usually are) avoided when planning drill weekends. That being said, there are two important considerations that factor into this:
1. Availability of resources - Sometimes the resources are only available on a holiday. This can include ranges, equipment borrowed from another unit, etc. In that case, you may just have to suck it up and drive on.
2. Local prominence of said holiday - Different parts of the country celebrate different holidays, and if you're not in line with the majority in your area, you may find yourself drilling on a holiday. For example, a muslim may have to drill during Eid, simply because that one isn't celebrated by enough of the unit to be a factor in planning. Similarly, hunting is a very big deal here in Wyoming, so almost all of our units plan enough MUTA-5s and -6s to ensure they can skip drill entirely in October. For this state, the start of hunting season is one of the most important holidays there is.
1. Availability of resources - Sometimes the resources are only available on a holiday. This can include ranges, equipment borrowed from another unit, etc. In that case, you may just have to suck it up and drive on.
2. Local prominence of said holiday - Different parts of the country celebrate different holidays, and if you're not in line with the majority in your area, you may find yourself drilling on a holiday. For example, a muslim may have to drill during Eid, simply because that one isn't celebrated by enough of the unit to be a factor in planning. Similarly, hunting is a very big deal here in Wyoming, so almost all of our units plan enough MUTA-5s and -6s to ensure they can skip drill entirely in October. For this state, the start of hunting season is one of the most important holidays there is.
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Not so much a "holiday", but the Super Bowl. In my area, a lot of us are huge football fans and the Super Bowl is a holiday to us.
Low and behold, drill is ALWAYS on Super Sunday! Why? Especially if we live in AZ, where we have hosted 2 Super Bowls in recent years, why wouldn't you pick any other weekend? Not to mention, the soldiers just don't want to be there when they know a party is waiting for them at home, or when they are off.
Low and behold, drill is ALWAYS on Super Sunday! Why? Especially if we live in AZ, where we have hosted 2 Super Bowls in recent years, why wouldn't you pick any other weekend? Not to mention, the soldiers just don't want to be there when they know a party is waiting for them at home, or when they are off.
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MSG Brian Breaker
CW2 Tim Brooks,
I agree. football is a huge in my unit also. During lunch we contact to the WiFi and project NFL Red Zone in the DFAC. If your looking for your Solider that's where you can find them.
I agree. football is a huge in my unit also. During lunch we contact to the WiFi and project NFL Red Zone in the DFAC. If your looking for your Solider that's where you can find them.
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MSG (Join to see)
One of the questions my cammander asked when I first cane to the Guard was, "What is One thing I can do to inprove drill?" My first response was, never drill on SB weekend if it is not live misson. That was in 1999, now most of our state tries to follow this. It is definately a weekend discussed for the YTB.
Having been active and watched the Army shut down for this every year and even in a combat zone as much as possible, I stand by that statement!
Having been active and watched the Army shut down for this every year and even in a combat zone as much as possible, I stand by that statement!
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COL (Join to see)
When I first took command in Jan 2013, I saw that Feb's drill was on Super Bowl weekend. No go in my book. Instituted a liberal RST policy for that drill and about half of the unit was there Fri/Sat and the other half was there Sat/Sun. Ended up working out well as the bandwidth to the Reserve was always hammered by 100% of the unit trying to conduct mandatory training. Staggering the unit enabled folks to get things accomplished on Friday and Sunday much more efficiently while still allowing a full day to conduct collective training on Saturday. Think I earned a lot of points on my second BA...
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I vowed that when I took command we would not have duty on holidays or events that people typically spend with family. To me there is no normally scheduled training event that is so important as to trump family time. Any excuse about range availability boils down to poor planning. I refuse to make that excuse to my troops and have held up to it. I can't control what's above me but I've made my opinion known even if it risked making me sound like I wasn't being a good follower but I became a leader in order to change culture that needs people who stand up for the troops.
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Working a holiday is just a part of life in general. If you are working a holiday, participating in quality training for the preparation of a deployment or something then drive on. If you plan a BA and sit around the R/C then shame on the Commander and Staff for being lazy and not thinking about the soldiers.
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SSG (Join to see)
How have you been Sir? Do you miss B Co yet?? We have a couple new Soldiers, appears we lost all of our officers except for the new CO CDR and two team chiefs, and CPT Sham. I'm getting ready to pop smoke and go on ADOS for a year, and Marin had his 65th jump this past drill weekend.
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In Minnesota, the recurring problem is November. Typically we need to schedule SRP in order to administer flu shots. But Deer Hunting Opener is on the weekend typically scheduled for Nov BA. Not a lot of room to maneuver, since Veteran's Day and Thanksgiving occupy two of the other weekends.
SO chronically we are left with reduced attendance on a BA we are attempting to get 100% on Flu shots prior to the 1 DEC deadline.
It is a recurring leadership conundrum, one easily defeated by putting NOV BA in the last weekend in OCT - also a win because the weather is better for a make up APFT.
But people are fixated on traditional scheduling, so we do the same thing year after year.
Meh.
SO chronically we are left with reduced attendance on a BA we are attempting to get 100% on Flu shots prior to the 1 DEC deadline.
It is a recurring leadership conundrum, one easily defeated by putting NOV BA in the last weekend in OCT - also a win because the weather is better for a make up APFT.
But people are fixated on traditional scheduling, so we do the same thing year after year.
Meh.
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CW5 (Join to see)
1SG (Join to see), your post caught my eye. I have limited experience with Reserves and National Guard. My active duty experience wonders, "Deer Hunting Opener???" I don't get it. If I'm supposed to report for duty - whatever the day - I report or I face the consequences. Is that not the case in the Reserves?
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1SG (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see), some days are big deals up here in Minnesota. Fishing opener this weekend is another one. Many commanders would rather take the hit to readiness than fight the battle for convincing them to come in on hunting opener. Not saying it is right, but avid hunters comprise easily 1/3 of our formations.
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SPC Robert Hallowell
CW5 (Join to see) - Consequence for skipping drill weekend is four unfit ratings. (One for each drill period missed; two drill periods in a day.) Nine were allowed during a given year if memory serves and the consequence to going over was the start of separation paperwork. Not exactly a big stick.
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SSG Brian Lovins
CW5 (Join to see) - I know way late on this topic, but Guard and Reserve Soldiers can get "excused" from drill and make it up at on a different date, it is up to the Commander/ 1SG to determine if it is a good enough reason. My last unit was fairly strict that you make it up before you miss drill that away they would roll your pay with everyone else's. People would call in sick as there is no medical support or sick call, I can say it was rare in 12 years in the guard to have 100% of a platoon present even when 100% was the required.
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I command an Army band. We work on many national holidays. A former Chief, Army Music once said (and I paraphrase) "if you're an Army band and you're not working on Memorial Day, the Fourth of July or Veterans' Day you're wrong".
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I think we should always plan ahead, Holiday is the time to relax with family.
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MAJ Anthony DeStefano
The Japanese hit us on a sleepy Sunday morning... when most crew members were ashore...or asleep. It suited them. The Twin towers were hit in the business day when they thought more people would be at work and thus vulnerable... so it depends on the enemy's strategy
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WO1 (Join to see)
@SSG Ryan R. We are talking about whether or not to drill on Holiday weekends for Reserve and Guard units. I know are enemies track all of us, active and not. But not drilling on holidays won't be the cause of attack. As MAJ Anthony DeStefano the enemy will attack according to what their TTP's think will work. But a Reserve/Guard unit will be attacked if they are unprepared, and probably when they have a BA to inflict causalities, destroying the base of unit that occupies it once a month doesn't really help the enemy.
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