Posted on Sep 24, 2015
BEN CARSON's Comments relooked. Is Islam compatible with the Constitution of the United States?
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http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html
Sharia Law which is the Law of Islam is complete counter indicative of the United States Constitution, SEE BELOW:
Sharia law is the law of Islam. The Sharia (also spelled Shariah or Shari'a) law is cast from the actions and words of Muhammad, which are called "Sunnah," and the Quran, which he authored.
The Sharia law itself cannot be altered, but the interpretation of the Sharia law, called "figh," by imams is given some leeway.
As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam's Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women.
According to the Sharia law:
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
Sharia Law which is the Law of Islam is complete counter indicative of the United States Constitution, SEE BELOW:
Sharia law is the law of Islam. The Sharia (also spelled Shariah or Shari'a) law is cast from the actions and words of Muhammad, which are called "Sunnah," and the Quran, which he authored.
The Sharia law itself cannot be altered, but the interpretation of the Sharia law, called "figh," by imams is given some leeway.
As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam's Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women.
According to the Sharia law:
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
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Dr Carson makes valid points, active Muslims share ideals that are contrary to the ideals and principles that America was founded on. He was in ROTC while in school, so he understands chain of command and will consult experts when he makes decisions. Of the 56 signers of the declaration of independence 5 were physicians, 25 were lawyers and 17 served in the military during the Revolutionary War. None wanted to kill people that didn't share their values.
If you look up the origin of political correctness it was associated to the Marxist regime where people were indoctrinated to their way of thinking, who decides what is correct?
If you look up the origin of political correctness it was associated to the Marxist regime where people were indoctrinated to their way of thinking, who decides what is correct?
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From What I just read about Sharia Law! NO!!!! It does not line up with the Ideals of the Constitution!
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Off course it's not compatible. On a side note, I am sick of all of the political correctness surrounding current events. In order to be a faithful, devoted Muslim, we can't be considered equals in their eyes, can we? I mean, not just from practical experience... This is just a surface of a deeper, not so pleasant issue.
SrA Edward Vong
I was a devoted faithful Muslim, I have never looked at anyone below me, in fact I served my whole 6 years as a Muslim and let go of my faith upon leaving. Not because of the religion, but because I have faith in other beliefs.
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Not necessarily below, but not equal. I am not saying all are like this, but from my own experience, the view is pretty grim unfortunately (both from where I'm from and what I've felt/seen).
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I think the same could be said of Christianity and Judaism, or any other religion. I'm not aware of one that doesn't see non-believers as inferior.
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Dr. Carson is very wrong.. seriously? you show this as if somehow it represents all of Islam? how about picking up a college level book on world religions or read the Koran instead of this bullshit. Oh and if you think Muslims shouldn't be in government, tell that to the ones buried in Arlington.
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Not true, look at Indonesia. Most are not married under civil law but are married under Islam. I know this for a fact. Separation of Church and State exists in the largest Muslim country in the world.
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I have posted an excerpt from a quote from Bridgette Gabriel before saying "The peaceful [Muslim] majority is irrelevant". Since several posts in this forum continue to mention the peaceful Muslim majority I post the full quote below, hoping to persuade all that the peaceful majority is irrelevant.
"There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course not all of them are radicals. The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15-25% according to all intelligence services around the world.
"That leaves 75% of [Muslims being] peaceful people. But when you look at 15-25% of the world's Muslim population, you're looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization. That is as big as the United States," said Gabriel.
"So why should we worry about the radical 15-25%? Because it is the radicals that kill. Because it is the radicals that behead and massacre," Gabriel said.
"When you look throughout history, at the lessons of history, most Germans were peaceful. Yet the Nazis drove the agenda. And as a result, 60 million people died, almost 40 million in concentration camps. 6 million were Jews. The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.
"When you look at Russia, most Russians were peaceful as well. But the Russians were able to kill 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
"When you look at China for example, most Chinese were peaceful as well. Yet the Chinese were able to kill 70 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
"When you look at Japan prior to World War II, most Japanese were peaceful people too. Yet, Japan was able to butcher its way across Southeast Asia, killing 12 million people, mostly killed by bayonets and shovels. The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.
"On September 11th in the United States we had 2.3 million Arab Muslims living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers - 19 radicals - to bring America to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the Pentagon and kill almost 3000 Americans that day," Gabriel said.
"So for all our power of reason, and for all us talking about moderate and peaceful Muslims, I'm glad you're here. But where are the others speaking out?" Gabriel asked. The people in attendance began to applaud.
"And since you are the only Muslim representative here, you took the limelight instead of speaking about why our government - I assume you're an American [Ahmed responded yes.] As an American citizen, you sat in this room, and instead of asking a question about the four Americans that died [in Benghazi] and what our government is doing to correct the problem, you stood there to make a point about peaceful, moderate Muslims," said Brigitte Gabriel.
"There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course not all of them are radicals. The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15-25% according to all intelligence services around the world.
"That leaves 75% of [Muslims being] peaceful people. But when you look at 15-25% of the world's Muslim population, you're looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization. That is as big as the United States," said Gabriel.
"So why should we worry about the radical 15-25%? Because it is the radicals that kill. Because it is the radicals that behead and massacre," Gabriel said.
"When you look throughout history, at the lessons of history, most Germans were peaceful. Yet the Nazis drove the agenda. And as a result, 60 million people died, almost 40 million in concentration camps. 6 million were Jews. The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.
"When you look at Russia, most Russians were peaceful as well. But the Russians were able to kill 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
"When you look at China for example, most Chinese were peaceful as well. Yet the Chinese were able to kill 70 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
"When you look at Japan prior to World War II, most Japanese were peaceful people too. Yet, Japan was able to butcher its way across Southeast Asia, killing 12 million people, mostly killed by bayonets and shovels. The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.
"On September 11th in the United States we had 2.3 million Arab Muslims living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers - 19 radicals - to bring America to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the Pentagon and kill almost 3000 Americans that day," Gabriel said.
"So for all our power of reason, and for all us talking about moderate and peaceful Muslims, I'm glad you're here. But where are the others speaking out?" Gabriel asked. The people in attendance began to applaud.
"And since you are the only Muslim representative here, you took the limelight instead of speaking about why our government - I assume you're an American [Ahmed responded yes.] As an American citizen, you sat in this room, and instead of asking a question about the four Americans that died [in Benghazi] and what our government is doing to correct the problem, you stood there to make a point about peaceful, moderate Muslims," said Brigitte Gabriel.
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MAJ Matthew Arnold Excellent share Sir. Very important perspective that is often overlooked.
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No, mohammedism isn't compatible with the Constitution in particular, nor Western civilization nor any other civilization and, if what I see on the news is any indication, completely incompatible with itself. Everywhere mohammedism is contact with another civilization, there's bloodshed and violence and now we have ISIS claiming that al Qaeda isn't muslim enough.....
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The problem with Islam is that it is a religion that comes with its own judicial system, Sharia, that does not recognize individual freedoms. Sharia is Islam and Islam is Sharia; they are inseparable. The literal translation of the word Islam is "Submission to Allah" and Sharia is Allah's legal system. Those that say otherwise are either clueless or liars. Sharia and, therefore, Islam are incompatible with our Constitution.
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Cpl Mark McMiller Thanks for your thoughts on this topic. Well are spoken, opinion.
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Well, not to bring our current president into the fight here, but when he applied for a scholarship to the Chicago School of Law, he first applied as a Christian black student (US citizen). He was denied. He reapplied as a foreign, black, MOSLEM, and got a free ride. So, since he apparently went over to Christianity (though, judging from his "spiritual adviser" from his first term as senator on back leads one to believe "not god BLESS America, but god DAMN America" might have been just as bad as what radical Moslems think) FROM the Moslem faith, according to the Que'ran, he should be killed. Huh. I wonder why so many Moslems in our country voted for him then, since he was the antithesis of the Moslem Faith, a traitor to the cause, etc?
Mr Obama certainly wouldn't have been elected president as a Moslem, would he? So was it expedience that had him switch religions, or was it a change of heart, or faith, or what?
We've seen several general officers get "retired by force" or canned for being evangelical Christians. I myself got one unit commander orders after he started saying prayers before commander's call. NOT because of the prayer itself, mind you, but because it made EVERYONE uncomfortable. And those who did not bow their heads were sort of obvious.
So we had a Leadership Climate Assessment soon after myself, leading a sort of a coalition of officers and enlisted to the IG to try to put a stop to it. He was ballsy enough to, at the next commanders call AFTER he got talking to from the Wing King, to open the commander's call with the following statement. "Since some of you apparently did not like the fact that I start every commander's call with a prayer (he also put one of the base chaplains up to it too), those who don't wish to pray may leave the auditorium for the prayer, and return after it is finished".
Let's see, and HOW would you identify those folks who narc'd you out? I could care less what my commander did on personal time, even if he was going door to door bible thumping. As long as he did not do it in uniform, nor mention his connection with the military, at least. But when you start bible thumping on company time, I take exception to this. As we ALL know (even you commanders out there), commander's call, to nearly all of us, in this electronic age, is a waste of time as far as disseminating information. Let us attend remotely. (we're talking base OR unit level here).
But do NOT moralize, or proselytize on military time. I can do a lot of work in 48 hours (figuring the time spent walking to and from commanders call along with the time wasted listening to things we already know), and this does not include BASE commanders calls, which, if monthly, waste about 3 to 4 hours each. Seems some of the more rabidly religious folks forget the prime movers of the military.
Give me the resources, training, authority, manpower, and budget to do what you want done, and then get the hell out of the way and let me do my job! We have the UCMJ. Those are OUR laws folks! We get held to a higher standard than the rest of our society to begin with. We can get shitcanned for adultery, but it's not illegal for a civilian. The UCMJ equates SODOMY as anything from your wife giving you a hummer in the privacy of your bedroom to boinking a sheep. (though I wonder what they're doing to change that now that gays and lesbians are allowed to serve openly. Because if it was NOT modified, you can SAY you're gay, but you still can't do gay sex. I'd hate to the the legal team trying to figure that mess out! But hey, that's both a MORAL AND RELIGIOUS issue for many people. Just like Gay Marriage is.
The KEY here folks, is MODERATION! ACCEPTANCE. Like it or not, Moslems are here to stay. Ask any Army commander how many DIFFERENT chaplains they have (branding wise). If they even know. We had a group chaplain for a while in my unit, since we were basically deployed somewhere in the world nonstop since I came in back in 1983 and we still are today. Rough on famiies, finances and tempers. I think we might have had THREE Jewish folks in our group. We had a Rabbi for our Chaplain. Nobody complained, other than the poor guy was continually rumpled. He was cursed that way. He'd even demonstrate for us. He'd make a show of putting on a new, crisp, starched to hell uniform and in an hour it would look like he slept in it for a week. We ALL liked him. Nobody accused him of being part of a Zionist Conspiracy (something the Wahabbi's seem to think EVERY jewish person is neck deep in).
He was well educated, witty, and eminently practical. Then, on a particularly hectic, bad day you'd hear the famous OY VAY! echoing down the hall, and we'd all laugh and tell ourselves that we wouldn't want his job at ANY pay scale.
HE was our chaplain and NOT our commanding officer. He was familiar with nearly every religion that has a single diety (god), and he could have easily been ordained in any of them due to his encyclopedic knowledge of them all. (yes, Christian wives are supposed to follow their husbands two paces behind and to the right of them, I think, and NEITHER a "true Christian, nor a true Moslem can charge interest on a loan. The Saudis call it a "handling fee", but banking IS the traditional realm of Jews since before the old testament, I imagine.
If I need professional advice, I'd go thru my immediate chain f command, on up as far as I needed to go. For spiritual advice, we go to our unit chaplain (in the field at least) or our minister, or whatever your head honcho is in YOUR religion. Separation of Churth AND STATE.
To me, issues of religion and sexual orientation are pretty much the same. Don't come onto me, don't try to convert me, and don't punish or retaliate against me when I tell you to back off, or worse if you do NOT back off. What you think in your own mind is your business, not mine. Considering how much blood has been spilled on BOTH sides of the "Christian-Moslem-Jewish-all other religions front", I prefer being a Jedi....and equate the FORCE with God. If he exists, then he's all around us, all the time (that or he got totally fed up with the free will clause and took his marbles and went to play somewhere else in the galaxy and tried again)
One good thing the military DID teach me was to TAKE PEOPLE AS THEY COME. As INDIVIDUALS. Anyone who says he never judges people is lying thru his teeth, after all. We can't control it. We can but try, but we ARE HUMAN, after all, and to err, IS HUMAN.
There are European countries (Denmark is one, I think and there are more) who ALLOW the Moslem slums to self rule under Shariah law., Mainly because they don't obey the laws of the country they're in (unless it's convenient for them) and since a Moslem male can marry and divorce simply by saying "I divorce you" three times in front of some number of male witnesses, he can populate those same low rent districts (slums again) with dozens of kids, and the state pays to raise them because it's usually far EASIER for the state to pay for raising the kid than trying to even FIND the father. Much less get him to pay child support.
In those areas, that are not just primarily but EXCLUSIVELY Moslem, many local police forces don't DARE go into them. Because ANYTHING they do there will be newsworthy.
I still marvel at how WE, as AMERICANS, allow MOSLEM TERRORISTS to be under the Geneva Convention when they are TRULY illegal combatants, yet whenever they capture one of OUR troops, they behead him on internet TV and drag his corpse thru the streets? REALLY? What jackass made that ruling? I've been to GITMO, and believe me, a cell and the facilities THERE are HEAVEN compared to how most of them live at home. Remember the Wahabbis want to live back in the stone age. Rural Afghanistan should suit them all just fine.
So does ISIS. Or ISIL, or whatever it is this week. WHY do we allow this? If they want to be considered lawful combatants, let them put on uniforms or even an armband or something. Yet they are COWARDS. They hide behind women and children. They kill far more of their own than they'll ever manage to kill from our side (americans). I remember in the Green Zone, one enterprising car bomber figured out that we weren't really stopping cars that had women and children in them like we would a single male driver or a group of males (yes, PROFILING, DO IT!). So he carjacked a vehicle, shot the male driver, the man's wife and kid in the back seat. He promptly loaded the car up with explosives, drove it in, locked the car with the woman and kid in it and blew it up remotely using a cell phone.
I don't think the "disciplining a wife for insubordination" clause covers blowing someone ELSE'S WIFE up, does it?
Anyway, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of Sharia law becoming imbedded in our constitution. I've also heard of a few jurisdictions (including the one in Michigan mentioned here) allowing Shariah law, but to deal with up to misdemeanors, not felonies. I think that is a stupid idea as well. NO other country caters to immigrants, legal or illegal, like we do here. But our constitution DOES say that we're founded on the idea of religious freedom, or at least tolerance. I remember the backlash on Iranian students when the Shah's regime fell. 90% of them that I was around considered themselves PERSIAN, NOT Iranians, and did their level best to distance themselves from that regime. And rednecks still beat the crap out of them here anyway, even though they had nothing to do with the embassy takeover and were horrified of what they would have to RETURN to when they finished up school..
I'm all for that slogan from the 60's made by the "establishment man" (Alfred E. Neumann was a communist, after all, right?). America, love it or LEAVE it. (or at least stop your whining and bitching and keep it to yourself)
Hope this made you folks think a bit. And by the way, my first, and ONLY girlfriend since my wife passed away in 2009 (from lung and brain cancer at 40 years old, went in for an earache and went out in a box a week later) WAS MOSLEM, Raised in Jakarta, Indonesia, and went to the same HIgh School as, yes, you guessed it, BARRY OBAMA! She had never even HEARD of Shia vs Sunny (like mad magazine's spy vs spy) until she came here for college. She married a Christian. (not me) and while her parents weren't happy about it, they dealt with it. She was a great gal too, just not for me.
But I do have a rather intimate knowledge of Islam from that 17 month education she gave me. I've read the english translation of the Que'ran and had HER read the arabic version to me when I had questions (that supersession thing really sucks, trust me) . Never once tried to convert me either. Her parents liked me a lot as well. So like I said, please TAKE EACH PERSON AS THEY ARE. Don't do the PREJUDICE thing (that's pre-judging a person before meeting them and finding out who they really are, for those of you who still don't understand what it means)., If they're bad people, then don't befriend them. Do a background check on the internet (15 bucks is cheap to vet a friend who can be trusted, believe me)
Nuff said!
Now, where'd I put that hyperdrive relay at? LOL
Dave
Mr Obama certainly wouldn't have been elected president as a Moslem, would he? So was it expedience that had him switch religions, or was it a change of heart, or faith, or what?
We've seen several general officers get "retired by force" or canned for being evangelical Christians. I myself got one unit commander orders after he started saying prayers before commander's call. NOT because of the prayer itself, mind you, but because it made EVERYONE uncomfortable. And those who did not bow their heads were sort of obvious.
So we had a Leadership Climate Assessment soon after myself, leading a sort of a coalition of officers and enlisted to the IG to try to put a stop to it. He was ballsy enough to, at the next commanders call AFTER he got talking to from the Wing King, to open the commander's call with the following statement. "Since some of you apparently did not like the fact that I start every commander's call with a prayer (he also put one of the base chaplains up to it too), those who don't wish to pray may leave the auditorium for the prayer, and return after it is finished".
Let's see, and HOW would you identify those folks who narc'd you out? I could care less what my commander did on personal time, even if he was going door to door bible thumping. As long as he did not do it in uniform, nor mention his connection with the military, at least. But when you start bible thumping on company time, I take exception to this. As we ALL know (even you commanders out there), commander's call, to nearly all of us, in this electronic age, is a waste of time as far as disseminating information. Let us attend remotely. (we're talking base OR unit level here).
But do NOT moralize, or proselytize on military time. I can do a lot of work in 48 hours (figuring the time spent walking to and from commanders call along with the time wasted listening to things we already know), and this does not include BASE commanders calls, which, if monthly, waste about 3 to 4 hours each. Seems some of the more rabidly religious folks forget the prime movers of the military.
Give me the resources, training, authority, manpower, and budget to do what you want done, and then get the hell out of the way and let me do my job! We have the UCMJ. Those are OUR laws folks! We get held to a higher standard than the rest of our society to begin with. We can get shitcanned for adultery, but it's not illegal for a civilian. The UCMJ equates SODOMY as anything from your wife giving you a hummer in the privacy of your bedroom to boinking a sheep. (though I wonder what they're doing to change that now that gays and lesbians are allowed to serve openly. Because if it was NOT modified, you can SAY you're gay, but you still can't do gay sex. I'd hate to the the legal team trying to figure that mess out! But hey, that's both a MORAL AND RELIGIOUS issue for many people. Just like Gay Marriage is.
The KEY here folks, is MODERATION! ACCEPTANCE. Like it or not, Moslems are here to stay. Ask any Army commander how many DIFFERENT chaplains they have (branding wise). If they even know. We had a group chaplain for a while in my unit, since we were basically deployed somewhere in the world nonstop since I came in back in 1983 and we still are today. Rough on famiies, finances and tempers. I think we might have had THREE Jewish folks in our group. We had a Rabbi for our Chaplain. Nobody complained, other than the poor guy was continually rumpled. He was cursed that way. He'd even demonstrate for us. He'd make a show of putting on a new, crisp, starched to hell uniform and in an hour it would look like he slept in it for a week. We ALL liked him. Nobody accused him of being part of a Zionist Conspiracy (something the Wahabbi's seem to think EVERY jewish person is neck deep in).
He was well educated, witty, and eminently practical. Then, on a particularly hectic, bad day you'd hear the famous OY VAY! echoing down the hall, and we'd all laugh and tell ourselves that we wouldn't want his job at ANY pay scale.
HE was our chaplain and NOT our commanding officer. He was familiar with nearly every religion that has a single diety (god), and he could have easily been ordained in any of them due to his encyclopedic knowledge of them all. (yes, Christian wives are supposed to follow their husbands two paces behind and to the right of them, I think, and NEITHER a "true Christian, nor a true Moslem can charge interest on a loan. The Saudis call it a "handling fee", but banking IS the traditional realm of Jews since before the old testament, I imagine.
If I need professional advice, I'd go thru my immediate chain f command, on up as far as I needed to go. For spiritual advice, we go to our unit chaplain (in the field at least) or our minister, or whatever your head honcho is in YOUR religion. Separation of Churth AND STATE.
To me, issues of religion and sexual orientation are pretty much the same. Don't come onto me, don't try to convert me, and don't punish or retaliate against me when I tell you to back off, or worse if you do NOT back off. What you think in your own mind is your business, not mine. Considering how much blood has been spilled on BOTH sides of the "Christian-Moslem-Jewish-all other religions front", I prefer being a Jedi....and equate the FORCE with God. If he exists, then he's all around us, all the time (that or he got totally fed up with the free will clause and took his marbles and went to play somewhere else in the galaxy and tried again)
One good thing the military DID teach me was to TAKE PEOPLE AS THEY COME. As INDIVIDUALS. Anyone who says he never judges people is lying thru his teeth, after all. We can't control it. We can but try, but we ARE HUMAN, after all, and to err, IS HUMAN.
There are European countries (Denmark is one, I think and there are more) who ALLOW the Moslem slums to self rule under Shariah law., Mainly because they don't obey the laws of the country they're in (unless it's convenient for them) and since a Moslem male can marry and divorce simply by saying "I divorce you" three times in front of some number of male witnesses, he can populate those same low rent districts (slums again) with dozens of kids, and the state pays to raise them because it's usually far EASIER for the state to pay for raising the kid than trying to even FIND the father. Much less get him to pay child support.
In those areas, that are not just primarily but EXCLUSIVELY Moslem, many local police forces don't DARE go into them. Because ANYTHING they do there will be newsworthy.
I still marvel at how WE, as AMERICANS, allow MOSLEM TERRORISTS to be under the Geneva Convention when they are TRULY illegal combatants, yet whenever they capture one of OUR troops, they behead him on internet TV and drag his corpse thru the streets? REALLY? What jackass made that ruling? I've been to GITMO, and believe me, a cell and the facilities THERE are HEAVEN compared to how most of them live at home. Remember the Wahabbis want to live back in the stone age. Rural Afghanistan should suit them all just fine.
So does ISIS. Or ISIL, or whatever it is this week. WHY do we allow this? If they want to be considered lawful combatants, let them put on uniforms or even an armband or something. Yet they are COWARDS. They hide behind women and children. They kill far more of their own than they'll ever manage to kill from our side (americans). I remember in the Green Zone, one enterprising car bomber figured out that we weren't really stopping cars that had women and children in them like we would a single male driver or a group of males (yes, PROFILING, DO IT!). So he carjacked a vehicle, shot the male driver, the man's wife and kid in the back seat. He promptly loaded the car up with explosives, drove it in, locked the car with the woman and kid in it and blew it up remotely using a cell phone.
I don't think the "disciplining a wife for insubordination" clause covers blowing someone ELSE'S WIFE up, does it?
Anyway, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of Sharia law becoming imbedded in our constitution. I've also heard of a few jurisdictions (including the one in Michigan mentioned here) allowing Shariah law, but to deal with up to misdemeanors, not felonies. I think that is a stupid idea as well. NO other country caters to immigrants, legal or illegal, like we do here. But our constitution DOES say that we're founded on the idea of religious freedom, or at least tolerance. I remember the backlash on Iranian students when the Shah's regime fell. 90% of them that I was around considered themselves PERSIAN, NOT Iranians, and did their level best to distance themselves from that regime. And rednecks still beat the crap out of them here anyway, even though they had nothing to do with the embassy takeover and were horrified of what they would have to RETURN to when they finished up school..
I'm all for that slogan from the 60's made by the "establishment man" (Alfred E. Neumann was a communist, after all, right?). America, love it or LEAVE it. (or at least stop your whining and bitching and keep it to yourself)
Hope this made you folks think a bit. And by the way, my first, and ONLY girlfriend since my wife passed away in 2009 (from lung and brain cancer at 40 years old, went in for an earache and went out in a box a week later) WAS MOSLEM, Raised in Jakarta, Indonesia, and went to the same HIgh School as, yes, you guessed it, BARRY OBAMA! She had never even HEARD of Shia vs Sunny (like mad magazine's spy vs spy) until she came here for college. She married a Christian. (not me) and while her parents weren't happy about it, they dealt with it. She was a great gal too, just not for me.
But I do have a rather intimate knowledge of Islam from that 17 month education she gave me. I've read the english translation of the Que'ran and had HER read the arabic version to me when I had questions (that supersession thing really sucks, trust me) . Never once tried to convert me either. Her parents liked me a lot as well. So like I said, please TAKE EACH PERSON AS THEY ARE. Don't do the PREJUDICE thing (that's pre-judging a person before meeting them and finding out who they really are, for those of you who still don't understand what it means)., If they're bad people, then don't befriend them. Do a background check on the internet (15 bucks is cheap to vet a friend who can be trusted, believe me)
Nuff said!
Now, where'd I put that hyperdrive relay at? LOL
Dave
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Ack..you're correct, of course. After seeing that 65 million dollar jail he got built while he was a senator (more like a hotel, and better than a few million of our citizens live in) and I seem to automatically forget that..Chicago on the brain? Thanks for correcting me. Doing these "books" at 3 AM might not be the best time for accuracy anyway..lol
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