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BEN CARSON's Comments relooked. Is Islam compatible with the Constitution of the United States?
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http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html
Sharia Law which is the Law of Islam is complete counter indicative of the United States Constitution, SEE BELOW:
Sharia law is the law of Islam. The Sharia (also spelled Shariah or Shari'a) law is cast from the actions and words of Muhammad, which are called "Sunnah," and the Quran, which he authored.
The Sharia law itself cannot be altered, but the interpretation of the Sharia law, called "figh," by imams is given some leeway.
As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam's Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women.
According to the Sharia law:
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
Sharia Law which is the Law of Islam is complete counter indicative of the United States Constitution, SEE BELOW:
Sharia law is the law of Islam. The Sharia (also spelled Shariah or Shari'a) law is cast from the actions and words of Muhammad, which are called "Sunnah," and the Quran, which he authored.
The Sharia law itself cannot be altered, but the interpretation of the Sharia law, called "figh," by imams is given some leeway.
As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam's Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women.
According to the Sharia law:
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
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51 percent of U.S. Muslims prefer Shariah
There are now an estimated 3 million Muslims residing in the United States as citizens or with permanent legal status, and more than 250,000 new Muslim residents enter the U.S. per year as refugees, on work visas and student-based visas, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.
A poll commissioned in May 2015 by the Center for Security Policy showed that 51 percent of American Muslims preferred that they should have their own Shariah courts outside of the legal system ruled by the U.S. Constitution. And nearly a quarter believed the use of violent jihad was justified in establishing Shariah.
"That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that Shariah is 'The Muslim God Allah's law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad,'" writes Frank Gaffney Jr., president of the Center for Security Policy
There are now an estimated 3 million Muslims residing in the United States as citizens or with permanent legal status, and more than 250,000 new Muslim residents enter the U.S. per year as refugees, on work visas and student-based visas, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.
A poll commissioned in May 2015 by the Center for Security Policy showed that 51 percent of American Muslims preferred that they should have their own Shariah courts outside of the legal system ruled by the U.S. Constitution. And nearly a quarter believed the use of violent jihad was justified in establishing Shariah.
"That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that Shariah is 'The Muslim God Allah's law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad,'" writes Frank Gaffney Jr., president of the Center for Security Policy
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I saw some of the videos of the studies, Both first and second generation Muslim Americans said they would prefer sharia law of the country their family came from. I do believe in some areas it was 80% in favor of sharia law.
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Hate to think I would have to pick up arms ever again. But these extremist Muslims are the reason I carry where ever I go these days.... I'm not worried about a store hold up or being robbed or car jacked. But I don't want to need a gun when it might be needed...And any more you just never know, when or where one of them will decide it's his day to meet Allah. And Yes I would take up arms again to fight Sharia Law.
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There are a few of us out here that have actually read a book, CPT Ahmed Faried, it was even made out of paper!
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Absolutely. Shariah law is not acceptable to the non-Muslim Americans that understand the tenets of Shariah Law. I do not think it would replace our Constitution, but I do not want Shariah Law used in our country.
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Yes, we should be worried. They are one of the fastest growing populations Iin the world an have no interest in staying in their own lands but instead, want to spread worldwide and destroy all those who oppose them. Take time out to read the Qu'ran to get the truth. Dint ask your neighbor because they will lie until their numbers are too big to fight against.
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Let me start by saying I am an atheist who has studied the culture and the religion in depth while learning Arabic for operational purposes at the Defense Language Institute, and through further study on my own. I tend to gravitate toward the cultural studies and religious studies moreso than the language itself, which unfortunately doesn't help my foreign language proficiency pay, but I make up for it by understanding the target better.
I agree with your overall premise in the same way I would view evangelical Christians (especially one who takes Leviticus literally) who can't separate church and state, it would be completely incompatible with the constitution. I like shellfish, poly-wool blends, and pork, and I would hate the idea of killing witches. We've grown past that as a society.
The first part I wanted to mention was just a single letter.
...called "figh,"...
It's more closely pronounced "Fiqih" (with a Q, not a G...it's like a k sound pronounced at the back of the throat instead of the mid-back of the tongue) with the accent on the first syllable and the second "i" almost nonexistent, but more necessary for a native English speaker to not just ignore the "h" altogether when trying to pronounce it. The h is almost silent, but still barely audible. The word means "jurisprudence," which is basically, as you said, an interpretation of Shari'a law. There is no g sound unless you're talking to an Iraqi, who often (but not always) can pronounce the letter Qaf as a Gaf. As in English, everything in Arabic has an exception in one place or another, since the dialects are so vastly different.
I disagree with some of your points for a few main reasons.
A fatwa is a religious "decree." It's not something everyone will pay attention to. If you go to church and your pastor says, "everyone should get a leather bible case with a zipper, since leather is a good material to protect the word of God," that is a suggestion which people at other churches won't heed. Likewise, a radical Muslim cleric issuing a "fatwa" to destroy Americans, for example, will be largely ignored by the population of Muslims who do not subscribe to his ideology (and likewise don't attend his mosque).
Women driving cars is one such fatwa, but it grabbed the ear of the Saudi Royal Family many years back, so it was decreed in Saudi Arabia that women driving cars was "haram," or forbidden. Last I heard, they are taking steps to overturn that ruling.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
A hadith is basically something someone who isn't Muhammad, saying "this is what Muhammad said." There are a ton of hadith that are largely ignored because they are not believable or accurate. In fact, when it comes down to it, many Muslims ignore hadith altogether and only focus on the writings in the Qur'an itself. The truth of the matter is, female circumcision is a gruesome practice that is carried out in a small part the Arab world, primarily in Egypt and Sudan. It has been outlawed in Egypt, but the practice continues under the table.
It isn't religious, it's cultural. Female circumcision has nothing to do with the Qur'an or Islam. It's (obviously different and way worse, but in a way) similar to the practice of piercing a baby girl's ears in the South. The South is part of the bible belt. Piercing girl's ears when they're too young to consent happens in the South. Ergo, piercing baby girls' ears must just be a Christian practice.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
This is a tenet in Shi'a Islam. It does not refer to denying being a Muslim to try to throw anyone off (which was brought up in another conversation I had about al-Taqiyya on RP). This would be violating a religious rule very similar to the Christian theology of "If you deny me before man, I will deny you before the Father." Aside from that, yes, many Shi'a do in fact practice al-Taqiyya in other contexts. Shi'a are supposedly on "our side" in Iraq, since ISIS claims to be Sunni (and has a lot of high ranking members from the old Ba'ath party from Saddam's era), but then the whole of Iran is Shi'a, so no one group is entirely our friends.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
Moon God? Really? "Allah," the God of Islam, first revealed himself to Abraham, according to the Islamic faith. There are some differences in the stories. In the bible, Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Isaac, the legitimate son of Abraham and Sarah. In the Qur'an, Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Ishmael, the true firstborn. Isaac's descendants are the Israelites, Jews and later Christians. Ishmael's descendants eventually became Muslims. Statements like the "moon God" myth tend to be misrepresentations set about by people devout to other Abrahamic faiths, I suppose because there's 'no way they have the same God I do.'
I don't have time to pull up primary sources for you, but there's a quick once-over on the fallacy, courtesy of Wikipedia, at the bottom.
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
True. Very true. In Saudi Arabia, and now in ISIS-controlled areas. Saudi Arabia doesn't get a pass on this, but at least there it makes sense culturally (despite being incompatible with our society). During the Hajj, there are thousands of vendors with millions of dollars' worth of gold and precious gems for pilgrims to purchase to take home as mementos. 5 times a day, there's a call to prayer. Everyone leaves and goes to pray. Nobody steals.
I don't want to refute all of your points, obviously. On some I agreed, and added more information. I can't speak to some of them. Some are absolutely true. Some aren't worth the effort. The point is just to look at each one individually. It applies sometimes, depending on what group you are talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god
Let me start by saying I am an atheist who has studied the culture and the religion in depth while learning Arabic for operational purposes at the Defense Language Institute, and through further study on my own. I tend to gravitate toward the cultural studies and religious studies moreso than the language itself, which unfortunately doesn't help my foreign language proficiency pay, but I make up for it by understanding the target better.
I agree with your overall premise in the same way I would view evangelical Christians (especially one who takes Leviticus literally) who can't separate church and state, it would be completely incompatible with the constitution. I like shellfish, poly-wool blends, and pork, and I would hate the idea of killing witches. We've grown past that as a society.
The first part I wanted to mention was just a single letter.
...called "figh,"...
It's more closely pronounced "Fiqih" (with a Q, not a G...it's like a k sound pronounced at the back of the throat instead of the mid-back of the tongue) with the accent on the first syllable and the second "i" almost nonexistent, but more necessary for a native English speaker to not just ignore the "h" altogether when trying to pronounce it. The h is almost silent, but still barely audible. The word means "jurisprudence," which is basically, as you said, an interpretation of Shari'a law. There is no g sound unless you're talking to an Iraqi, who often (but not always) can pronounce the letter Qaf as a Gaf. As in English, everything in Arabic has an exception in one place or another, since the dialects are so vastly different.
I disagree with some of your points for a few main reasons.
A fatwa is a religious "decree." It's not something everyone will pay attention to. If you go to church and your pastor says, "everyone should get a leather bible case with a zipper, since leather is a good material to protect the word of God," that is a suggestion which people at other churches won't heed. Likewise, a radical Muslim cleric issuing a "fatwa" to destroy Americans, for example, will be largely ignored by the population of Muslims who do not subscribe to his ideology (and likewise don't attend his mosque).
Women driving cars is one such fatwa, but it grabbed the ear of the Saudi Royal Family many years back, so it was decreed in Saudi Arabia that women driving cars was "haram," or forbidden. Last I heard, they are taking steps to overturn that ruling.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
A hadith is basically something someone who isn't Muhammad, saying "this is what Muhammad said." There are a ton of hadith that are largely ignored because they are not believable or accurate. In fact, when it comes down to it, many Muslims ignore hadith altogether and only focus on the writings in the Qur'an itself. The truth of the matter is, female circumcision is a gruesome practice that is carried out in a small part the Arab world, primarily in Egypt and Sudan. It has been outlawed in Egypt, but the practice continues under the table.
It isn't religious, it's cultural. Female circumcision has nothing to do with the Qur'an or Islam. It's (obviously different and way worse, but in a way) similar to the practice of piercing a baby girl's ears in the South. The South is part of the bible belt. Piercing girl's ears when they're too young to consent happens in the South. Ergo, piercing baby girls' ears must just be a Christian practice.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
This is a tenet in Shi'a Islam. It does not refer to denying being a Muslim to try to throw anyone off (which was brought up in another conversation I had about al-Taqiyya on RP). This would be violating a religious rule very similar to the Christian theology of "If you deny me before man, I will deny you before the Father." Aside from that, yes, many Shi'a do in fact practice al-Taqiyya in other contexts. Shi'a are supposedly on "our side" in Iraq, since ISIS claims to be Sunni (and has a lot of high ranking members from the old Ba'ath party from Saddam's era), but then the whole of Iran is Shi'a, so no one group is entirely our friends.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
Moon God? Really? "Allah," the God of Islam, first revealed himself to Abraham, according to the Islamic faith. There are some differences in the stories. In the bible, Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Isaac, the legitimate son of Abraham and Sarah. In the Qur'an, Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Ishmael, the true firstborn. Isaac's descendants are the Israelites, Jews and later Christians. Ishmael's descendants eventually became Muslims. Statements like the "moon God" myth tend to be misrepresentations set about by people devout to other Abrahamic faiths, I suppose because there's 'no way they have the same God I do.'
I don't have time to pull up primary sources for you, but there's a quick once-over on the fallacy, courtesy of Wikipedia, at the bottom.
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
True. Very true. In Saudi Arabia, and now in ISIS-controlled areas. Saudi Arabia doesn't get a pass on this, but at least there it makes sense culturally (despite being incompatible with our society). During the Hajj, there are thousands of vendors with millions of dollars' worth of gold and precious gems for pilgrims to purchase to take home as mementos. 5 times a day, there's a call to prayer. Everyone leaves and goes to pray. Nobody steals.
I don't want to refute all of your points, obviously. On some I agreed, and added more information. I can't speak to some of them. Some are absolutely true. Some aren't worth the effort. The point is just to look at each one individually. It applies sometimes, depending on what group you are talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god
Allah as Moon-god - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Allah as Moon-God is a claim put forth by some critics of Islam that the Islamic name for God, Allah, derives from a pagan Moon god in local Arabic mythology. The implication is that "Allah" is a different God from the Judeo-Christian deity and that Muslims are worshipping a "false god". The claim is most associated with the Christian apologist author Robert Morey, whose book The moon-god Allah in the archeology of the Middle East is a widely...
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SSG (Join to see) Thanks for your input and thoughts on this matter. Some were a little random toward the topic, but interesting to read.
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TSgt Dave Beem
And the PROPHET speaks...I love it when I pun is just begging to be used. Seriously though, Ryan does know his stuff. I also took a tour thru the DLI (and failed miserably..guess one of those TBI's I suffered snapped the nerves that go to our language learning centers. All I can remember is "mafi mushkela" (no problem) and Shokhran, which I certainly misspelled, and that means hello, or goodbye or something. But it's amazing how well someone understands ANY language with the barrel of a .45 pointing at their face, you know? Universal language!
On the Circumcision issue, Indonesia also practices it. After my wife died, I dated a muslim gal (US citizen, but from Jakarta originally) and SHE said she'd had it done as a baby. What was left was the size of a pin head. Not total circumcision. That practice originated in Africa, from what I know. Women who were married were circumsized because then there'd be no reason for her to cheat..no pleasure in it anyway. Pretty sure this made its way to north Africa and then east a bit over the years, but Islam spread it (probably because Islamic women tried to run away BEFORE getting circumcised if they could, and having it done at birth prevented it....under the "can't miss what you never had" rule.
I DO like Ryan's matter of fact style of writing (even if it did wander a bit on the technical side of how to pronounce a single word). His KNOWLEDGE is unbiased by any side. Being an Atheist, he can look at ANY religion in an unbiased manner, which is pretty much impossible, no matter how hard one tries, if you believe in one religion or the another.
He sounds like a PRIME candidate for the Center for Islamic Studies (think tank). Now, having provided overwatch during HAJ several times while in Saudi Arabia (Proving that a sniper's job is never done, even when he switches services to get AWAY from being a sniper, which doesn't exactly have a very high LEGAL demand in civilian life), I can witness for Ryan on how well behaved most of the pilgrims are during HAJ (although mass tramplings are a fact of life when you have so many people in one small area.).
Seeing that huge mass of people, literally as far as the eye can see, is somewhat terrifying to folks who are more used to wide open spaces and much smaller populations.. I kept thinking that "we don't have enough bullets". Something like the fear that if we went toe to toe with China, we don't have one and a half billion rounds of ammo in the US services inventory anymore, and we ran dangerously low just doing Iraq and Afghanistan. NONE of us, unless there are a few WWII vets of the pacific theater here, have EVER seen a true HUMAN WAVE attack.
Of course, I still can't understand how anyone survived the beaches of Normandy either, when those landing craft ramps dropped they were simply bullet funnels. So thank GOD for naval bombardment. (Sure wish they'd revive a battleship or two for use around Somalia and Nigeria..I'd bet we could find vets who would man them for FREE (well, room and board at least)
When I was stationed in Riyadh, it was a weekly ritual to go to "chop chop square" every Friday at high noon, to watch the punishments being handed out. Death to drug dealers was a favorite of mine. I think if we adopted that practice, a LOT of dealers would find new careers, you know? Yes, barbaric. So what? Like drunk drivers, do you think drug dealers lie awake at night fretting about those they sold drugs to?
Now the one thing I never did understand in Saudi was the punishment for a rapist. And yes, they DO punish that, the evidence rule notwithstanding. But you would THINK that he'd get his package chopped off, right? Can't rape someone without the proper tools and all that. But no, they don't do THAT kind of amputation.
Now, can you imagine the LOGISTICS of 3+ million people descending into the streets of say, NYC or LA, or Chicago? (you folks DO know that EVERYONE has to walk from a certain point during HAJ, even the rich folks, right? Imagine the waiting lines at the porta potties? or for water? Medical care? I swear on my life it looked like an ocean tide..of humans. Not, thank god, an ATTACKING human wave, but I would bet that if you got the pilgrims riled up enough, they could take apart Mecca and Medina by hand.
Now, think of the Chinese. As Chairman Mao commented during the starvation of his people when he nationalized all the family farms. "a few million here, a few million there, so what? People, we have no shortage of. FOOD, we do." Can you imagine what would have happened if he'd sent all those starving folks across the river to North Korea, and told their leadership to use them as human waves?
For those of the bent to actually READ the Que'ran cover to cover, you'll more than likely come to the conclusion that yes, they really DO want to conquer the "known world" (which at the time did not include north and south America/Canada etc). Because if you're not with ALLAH, you're against him. And dealing with that attitude so deeply rooted in their religion since childbirth is troublesome at best.
I do agree with Ryan's attitude that maybe just 30 percent of all Moslems are of a radical bent, but count them all up worldwide if you can find the stats. The TOTAL worldwide population of Moslems is BIG in the "known world" from Mohammed's time.
I would HIGHLY encourage EVERYONE who is interested in the Moslem threat to read a book by Tom Kratman, called CALIPHATE. Published by Baen Books, you can get the electronic version for a few bucks, or possibly get it free. Tom is a retired Lt Col, US Army and I've been pestering him to JOIN this site for a long time. No luck yet. But Caliphate, while being cast in the future, has a Nostradamus like accuracy in what is going on in Europe today. I do remember a story in the news from the Danish Parliament where one alarmed politician attempted to warn the rest of the danger presented by so many Moslems in their midst in the major cities, most of them living in an exclusively Islamic quarter in each city, and of that, you'd be accurate to call them Islamic slums, where discontent breeds rampantly. No jobs, no money, no escape except for really bright students getting scholarships maybe.
So go read that book (and no, I'm not a shill for Tom Kratman) visit his website (tomkratman.com) and he has an email link so you can encourage him to join us here at RallyPoint, like I did. But READ THAT BOOK at least. and take a look at his blog. Yes, he's highly opinionated and he will grab your attention, for better or worse. But he's been around the world, even the SOF world, he knows his business as he's been, like many of us, on the pointy end of the stick. And he's NOT afraid to poke the tiger with it either. Can't tell you if he's a hero and a patriot, you have to make that decision. But he IS a warrior, of the warrior class, just like we are. And that, friends, is why we're all here. Call us the "military debating society".
Particularly, I encourage you all to read his blog post on his site on the 2nd amendment. While he's not a constitutional scholar, I think he has the right idea, and he lays out the right CURE as well.
So indulge me and take a look. He might not be the best writer on earth, but it IS from the heart.
Dave
On the Circumcision issue, Indonesia also practices it. After my wife died, I dated a muslim gal (US citizen, but from Jakarta originally) and SHE said she'd had it done as a baby. What was left was the size of a pin head. Not total circumcision. That practice originated in Africa, from what I know. Women who were married were circumsized because then there'd be no reason for her to cheat..no pleasure in it anyway. Pretty sure this made its way to north Africa and then east a bit over the years, but Islam spread it (probably because Islamic women tried to run away BEFORE getting circumcised if they could, and having it done at birth prevented it....under the "can't miss what you never had" rule.
I DO like Ryan's matter of fact style of writing (even if it did wander a bit on the technical side of how to pronounce a single word). His KNOWLEDGE is unbiased by any side. Being an Atheist, he can look at ANY religion in an unbiased manner, which is pretty much impossible, no matter how hard one tries, if you believe in one religion or the another.
He sounds like a PRIME candidate for the Center for Islamic Studies (think tank). Now, having provided overwatch during HAJ several times while in Saudi Arabia (Proving that a sniper's job is never done, even when he switches services to get AWAY from being a sniper, which doesn't exactly have a very high LEGAL demand in civilian life), I can witness for Ryan on how well behaved most of the pilgrims are during HAJ (although mass tramplings are a fact of life when you have so many people in one small area.).
Seeing that huge mass of people, literally as far as the eye can see, is somewhat terrifying to folks who are more used to wide open spaces and much smaller populations.. I kept thinking that "we don't have enough bullets". Something like the fear that if we went toe to toe with China, we don't have one and a half billion rounds of ammo in the US services inventory anymore, and we ran dangerously low just doing Iraq and Afghanistan. NONE of us, unless there are a few WWII vets of the pacific theater here, have EVER seen a true HUMAN WAVE attack.
Of course, I still can't understand how anyone survived the beaches of Normandy either, when those landing craft ramps dropped they were simply bullet funnels. So thank GOD for naval bombardment. (Sure wish they'd revive a battleship or two for use around Somalia and Nigeria..I'd bet we could find vets who would man them for FREE (well, room and board at least)
When I was stationed in Riyadh, it was a weekly ritual to go to "chop chop square" every Friday at high noon, to watch the punishments being handed out. Death to drug dealers was a favorite of mine. I think if we adopted that practice, a LOT of dealers would find new careers, you know? Yes, barbaric. So what? Like drunk drivers, do you think drug dealers lie awake at night fretting about those they sold drugs to?
Now the one thing I never did understand in Saudi was the punishment for a rapist. And yes, they DO punish that, the evidence rule notwithstanding. But you would THINK that he'd get his package chopped off, right? Can't rape someone without the proper tools and all that. But no, they don't do THAT kind of amputation.
Now, can you imagine the LOGISTICS of 3+ million people descending into the streets of say, NYC or LA, or Chicago? (you folks DO know that EVERYONE has to walk from a certain point during HAJ, even the rich folks, right? Imagine the waiting lines at the porta potties? or for water? Medical care? I swear on my life it looked like an ocean tide..of humans. Not, thank god, an ATTACKING human wave, but I would bet that if you got the pilgrims riled up enough, they could take apart Mecca and Medina by hand.
Now, think of the Chinese. As Chairman Mao commented during the starvation of his people when he nationalized all the family farms. "a few million here, a few million there, so what? People, we have no shortage of. FOOD, we do." Can you imagine what would have happened if he'd sent all those starving folks across the river to North Korea, and told their leadership to use them as human waves?
For those of the bent to actually READ the Que'ran cover to cover, you'll more than likely come to the conclusion that yes, they really DO want to conquer the "known world" (which at the time did not include north and south America/Canada etc). Because if you're not with ALLAH, you're against him. And dealing with that attitude so deeply rooted in their religion since childbirth is troublesome at best.
I do agree with Ryan's attitude that maybe just 30 percent of all Moslems are of a radical bent, but count them all up worldwide if you can find the stats. The TOTAL worldwide population of Moslems is BIG in the "known world" from Mohammed's time.
I would HIGHLY encourage EVERYONE who is interested in the Moslem threat to read a book by Tom Kratman, called CALIPHATE. Published by Baen Books, you can get the electronic version for a few bucks, or possibly get it free. Tom is a retired Lt Col, US Army and I've been pestering him to JOIN this site for a long time. No luck yet. But Caliphate, while being cast in the future, has a Nostradamus like accuracy in what is going on in Europe today. I do remember a story in the news from the Danish Parliament where one alarmed politician attempted to warn the rest of the danger presented by so many Moslems in their midst in the major cities, most of them living in an exclusively Islamic quarter in each city, and of that, you'd be accurate to call them Islamic slums, where discontent breeds rampantly. No jobs, no money, no escape except for really bright students getting scholarships maybe.
So go read that book (and no, I'm not a shill for Tom Kratman) visit his website (tomkratman.com) and he has an email link so you can encourage him to join us here at RallyPoint, like I did. But READ THAT BOOK at least. and take a look at his blog. Yes, he's highly opinionated and he will grab your attention, for better or worse. But he's been around the world, even the SOF world, he knows his business as he's been, like many of us, on the pointy end of the stick. And he's NOT afraid to poke the tiger with it either. Can't tell you if he's a hero and a patriot, you have to make that decision. But he IS a warrior, of the warrior class, just like we are. And that, friends, is why we're all here. Call us the "military debating society".
Particularly, I encourage you all to read his blog post on his site on the 2nd amendment. While he's not a constitutional scholar, I think he has the right idea, and he lays out the right CURE as well.
So indulge me and take a look. He might not be the best writer on earth, but it IS from the heart.
Dave
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1SG (Join to see) MSG, there aren't any religions that I know of that are compatible with the Constitution. A radical president that tried to impose his/her own religious law on the country would run smack into the face of the 2nd Amendment, and would not be in power for very long. So. I have no probably with a president of any religion, as long as they're not trying to enforce their views as secular law.
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To answer this question one must understand the different between a Muslim and an Islamist. By understanding that, the answer will appear by itself.
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That has nothing to do with it if you are apologizing for the rampant terrorism from the Phiilippines to just anywhere else.
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SSgt (Join to see) - actually it got everything related to it. Without understanding it, you are like comparing Christian now to Catholic at 1400s.
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I think most people wouldn't vote for a Muslim for president. I know I wouldn't. Being a Muslims is to follow the teaching of Muhammad, which includes following Sharia Law. Sharia law goes against the U.S.Constitution and the law of the land. It also mean to convert, kill or make into a 2nd class citizen all non-believers.
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CPL Brian Clouser
CPT Ahmed Faried - Well as a kid he went to a Muslim's school. Unlike other religious school, you have to be a Muslim to attend a Muslims school. He has admitted to this fact. And as so what? Well Muslim follows the teaching of Muhammad and Sharia law.Which includes but not limit too Honor killings, raping of little boys and girls, owning slaves, killing of homosexuals. All of which been abolish or made illegal by the U.S.Constitution. Muslim are the 5th Column in this country.
I have been dealing with Muslims and Islam since 1980. I believe in "Know thy Enemy", so I have tried to educate myself about Islam. What I found was a barbaric religion that has not change since its founding. Regardless what our leaders have said we are at war with Islam and because of that Muslim are the 5th Column in this country.
I have been dealing with Muslims and Islam since 1980. I believe in "Know thy Enemy", so I have tried to educate myself about Islam. What I found was a barbaric religion that has not change since its founding. Regardless what our leaders have said we are at war with Islam and because of that Muslim are the 5th Column in this country.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
Where do you get your information?. I am honestly interested. Of course you are wrong, but if I know your source for information I might be able to steer you to the right sources. Firstly, no you don't have to be muslim to attend a school in Muslim majority countries and conversely attending a muslim-majority school doesn't all of a sudden make you a Muslim. Secondly Muslims follow the teachings of the Quran and not Muhammad. Muhammed is simply a prophet, like Jesus, Abraham etc. He relayed the messages but he wasn't the one that created them. Just as Christians follow the teachings of the Bible as relayed through Jesus (pbuh). The shariah law that you speak of is more cultural than religious. You will find shariah more prevalent in extremely conservative muslim countries, Saudi Arabia being pre-eminent among them. In the majority of Muslim majority nations which are secular, Shariah isn't the law of the land. Visit Turkey, Indonesia, Djibouti, Lebanon, etc they manage to be Muslim-majority and still secular in their laws. Honor killing, raping of boys or girls, owning slaves etc isn't a Muslim thing, it is cultural and found in areas where they practice Wahabism (conservative and backwards streak of Islam). Muslims are in the 5th column?? what does that even mean. And you have been dealing with Muslims since the 1980s? How then do you manage to still be so ill-formed? You follow that by declaring Muslims your enemy, sure that shows that you are open-minded and willing to have your views challenged. I won't bother with the rest. It is just red meat that can be found in many of the fringe-right sites out there. Here is my recommendation. Go meet actual muslims. Find a mosque, go in and in good faith make an attempt to understand them. I have a feeling your fear/hatred of Muslims will subside once you actually meet them rather than reading misinformation about them/us.
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CPL Brian Clouser
CPT Ahmed Faried - Obama himself has said that he attended a Muslim school ( there also reports that he could quote the Qur'ann but?) The Qur'an was written by Muhammad and by his followers while he was alive. Please DON"T even compare Christ with Muhammad it's like comparing apples to hubcaps "Honor killing, raping of boys or girls, owning slaves etc isn't a Muslim thing," All of those are happening right now!( Read something beside that liberal crap that US papers put out.) Only in your opinion that I'm as you said it "so ill-formed" FYI I met "real Muslims" and I have got to know them. And I still visit buddies graves on very 11th of November because we tried to know them and understand them. Now sir you have the right to your opinion and have the right to mine. I have fought for you to have that right so don't belittle me if my right of opinion differs from yours. That is one right you do not have nor does anyone else. The only one that has that right I will meet when I reach the in of my road. Good day Sir and luck for every thing you do
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CPT Ahmed Faried
Obama can quote the Quran therefore he is Muslim or a Manchurian candidate? Good luck to you too.
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