Posted on Dec 16, 2020
Can a 15-6 be viewed and used against you on a promotion board (after it was closed out "Favorable")?
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In Dec 2018 I had 15-6 for createing a hostil work environment. The IO recommended I be retrained and sent back to a leadership position at a later time. My JAG lawyer told me there was no way to beat it becuase it was a perception thing. I believe the command knew it was a BS case. They closed it out "Favorable" and I was given no punishment. However the baseline was set if you had any 15-6 for leadership with derogatory information you could be non-selected. Remember non of this is in my official file. EPM has to request the 15-6 from JAG just to see it. Its not in my restricted file either because it was closed favorablly. I have looked in so many regulations to see if a 15-6 can be used on a NCO board and I cannot find it. I just keep being told that they can use it, and bascially to kick rocks. Any help would be greatly appreciated?
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If a document is not in your iPERMS, a centralized board is not going to see it.
However, prior to that board, your BN and BDE commanders recommend, or don't recommend you for consideration at that board.
That is where it is possible that it can be used against you.
However, prior to that board, your BN and BDE commanders recommend, or don't recommend you for consideration at that board.
That is where it is possible that it can be used against you.
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I know it’s not in my iperms. Not even in my restricted file. Only way the board can see it was EPM requested it from JAG
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SFC (Join to see) unless there's a policy letter stating the type of investigation is held at a div level, I dont understand why you have to fight G1. How do they even know about it? Ask G1 to produce the reg. If they can't, talk with IG and either IG will find it or make G1 prove it.
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The G1 office is the one that wrote the MOI and allowed the non select criteria to be set. There is no policy letter. I went to the IG. They were simply told by the G1 that they used investigations in the past on officer boards so they decided to use them on enlisted. But never provided regulationMSG (Join to see)
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SFC (Join to see) oh, you're talking Army G1, makes more sense now. If the non select criteria is in the MOI that is the policy letter.
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OK... this is no official answer of any sort. But, from what you have said, I would imagine that, yes, it can be used against you. The fact that IO recommended retraining implies that there was an underlying issue. If the entire thing was a bunch of BS, then IO *should have* stated as such and shut the 15-6 down. Instead, it was completed, and retraining was recommended. Even with a "favorable" indication, that re-raining says not everything was going perfectly. My GUESS is that promotion boards would have both a desire and a right to know about that. My guess would ALSO be that if it is in your board file (which, unless things have changed, you still have to review and certify - so you will know if it is there), you are allowed to write a letter to the board to explain it.
Again, this is just *my* interpretation.
Again, this is just *my* interpretation.
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I certified my packet. And it’s not in any fashion in my record. In the post I pointed out that the EPM team has to request all 15-6s from JAG due to there being no record of it. Basically if I went to another state (not that I could or would) and boarded it would not follow me.
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For clarification, when you say "The IO recommended I be retrained" does retrained mean that you were moved out of your MOS and into recruiting?
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Negative SGM. I was a team leader at a recruiting store front. I was moved out during the investigation and when it was over they sent me right back as a team leader at another site. They have sense relieved the person that replaced me too and dismantled that station. There was an underlying issue with the Soldiers in that station. The 1SG that was over is at the time came to me later and apologized and said after stepping back he realized it wasn’t me but the Soldiers in the office. He is one of the people trying to help me now.
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SFC (Join to see) - This doesn't help any, but I had a BC warn on the dangers of the weaponized SHARP/EO process. I totally get what he meant.
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SFC (Join to see) - Your state G1 may have come up with the policy, but only a commander can remove someone from promotion consideration, whether it is by imposing a flag for some action, or simply checking non-recommend on the 4100, and it sounds like your JAG doesn't realize that.
Work through your RRB CSM to the state CSM to clarify this.
Work through your RRB CSM to the state CSM to clarify this.
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