Posted on Nov 5, 2018
Can a commander prevent a Soldier from doing their job (42R Musician) based solely on the "Soldierly appearance" term in AR 670-1?
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Without giving specific guidelines for how to correct this subject, can commanders prevent a Soldier from appearing before the public in uniform if they meet all regulatory standards?
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42R: Army Musician
42R: Army Musician
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Tough question. And BTW, I used to be a 42R before switching to 11B during the surge of Iraq.
Lamins terms: if a Soldier looks like a summer sausage stuffed into a tube sock, would you want him in the front row of woodwinds?
Every day your life should be an army commercial, if some kid can't look at you and admire your appearance, then no, start working on the sound boards.
Just an opinion.
Lamins terms: if a Soldier looks like a summer sausage stuffed into a tube sock, would you want him in the front row of woodwinds?
Every day your life should be an army commercial, if some kid can't look at you and admire your appearance, then no, start working on the sound boards.
Just an opinion.
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SFC (Join to see)
There was a block of time (11 months) when the Soldier was conformed to all written standards, yet was still not allowed to perform on their instrument because they "didn't look good in uniform". They too were not given specific guidance as to how to fix the situation, just that they needed to "look better before I will allow them back in the formation".
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Also, the reason for this particular question is because there has been another Soldier subjected to this "standard" and has caused some unrest throughout the (company) of (stretching it~ 42 Soldiers), along with opinions forming about other Soldiers being able to perform when they (seem) to be in the same boat as the "Soldierly Appearance" opinion of the Commander.
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SFC (Join to see) Tough call, I would suggest talking to the 1sg. If the Soldier is an E5 and above, it obviously will hinder their NCOER. Lower enlisted just needs to get counseled and cone to a mutual agreement. I hope the commander puts it on paper so it doesn't become an IG complaint.
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I would ask if appearing in a performance is considered a required duty or an expected task. if it is an expected task then he/she is not being kept from performing the requirements of the Army, MOS, or unit.
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unless specified, it is up to the commander
Chapter 3
Appearance and Grooming Policies
3–1. Personal appearance policies
b. A vital ingredient of the Army’s strength and military effectiveness is the pride and self discipline that American Soldiers bring to their Service through a conservative military image. It is the responsibility of commanders to ensure that military personnel under their command present a neat and soldierly appearance. Therefore, in the absence of specific procedures or guidelines, commanders must determine a Soldier’s compliance with standards in this regulation.
Chapter 3
Appearance and Grooming Policies
3–1. Personal appearance policies
b. A vital ingredient of the Army’s strength and military effectiveness is the pride and self discipline that American Soldiers bring to their Service through a conservative military image. It is the responsibility of commanders to ensure that military personnel under their command present a neat and soldierly appearance. Therefore, in the absence of specific procedures or guidelines, commanders must determine a Soldier’s compliance with standards in this regulation.
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Yes, I am definitely well versed with this excerpt. What I’m really attempting to find out is what exactly is the goal for the Soldiers to conform to? Does the commander have to outline what the standard is specifically, if one does not exist currently for this subject? The commander’s only guidance has been, “you just don’t look good in uniform”.
Which begs even more questions like, what does “Soldierly appearance need to look like under your command?” Which hasn’t been answered, and yes, I have asked.
Which begs even more questions like, what does “Soldierly appearance need to look like under your command?” Which hasn’t been answered, and yes, I have asked.
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SrA John Monette
SFC (Join to see) - I would hope that the commander would address the question with specifics. this, obviously, has not happened. are there any other senior NCO's or lower-grade officers that you can turn to for answers? and it might just be that the commander gets pleasure from busting your stones
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