Posted on Feb 28, 2022
Can a CSM go into POV’s without the owner present?
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So our BN CSM walked through our barracks parking lot, and began going into POVs and looking around them and inside of them while the owner is not present.
I'm curious if he is allowed to do that, I haven't found any regs saying he can or cannot do that, does anyone have any insight?
I'm curious if he is allowed to do that, I haven't found any regs saying he can or cannot do that, does anyone have any insight?
Barracks
XVIII ABN Corps
Housing
Posted 4 y ago
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I wonder why CSM is out doing such low level policy checks or enforcement?Could it be all police call are complete and no one is walking on the grass? This is more CSM created fluff and chickenshit to harass Soldiers IMHO!!!
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My opinion is , this is another example of why CSM is a virtiualy worthless position. Between throwing their weight around to intimidate EM, over petty " infractions" to creating " local standards" and now digging around the inside of POVs demonstrates they lack enough meaningful duties!
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The MPs need to be called and the CSM needs questioned / arrested for theft, and / or breaking and entering, or some such CRIME. NO ONE is authorized to search / enter / break into someone's POV unless they have a SEARCH WARRANT. One more example of why ~60 per cent of E-9s are worthless.
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I'm not trying to stir the pot here but can you tell me why there is a 'policy' that says you have to secure your vehicle? When I worked as a patrol officer with the PD I took a lot of theft reports from citizens that left their vehicles unlocked. Their logic was that they would rather not have their window broken out by some crackhead looking for spare change.
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Sgt Rodney Fridley
For sure, call the JAG office and get the official ruling on the activity taking place.
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Remember, you give up certain rights when entering a military base. It is usually posted at the entrance to all military bases that upon entering, all persons and vehicles are subject to search. The MPs would have to provide information as to whether or not the CSM is authorized. I suspect that he is and can justify it particularly when a vehicle is left unsecure. MSG (Join to see) is correct to point you in the direction of the MP/Provost and to have witnesses, particularly if anything is missing.
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SFC (Join to see)
With all due respect, Sir, “The sign says so” that is a blanket with a lot of holes in it! By that logic, if a Housing window is unlocked, a Leader may climb through!?!? Soldier, it would behoove you to see your on post legal office for the right answer. With respect for our MP brothers and sisters, they aren’t lawyers.
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SFC Dennis Pettitt
Yes and no... you are subject to lawful search by lawful authority on military installations, but "lawful authority" isn't just anybody. As a Sr NCO, I'd have to call the MPs and explain what probable cause I had to ask THEM to conduct a search of a Soldiers vehicle. In times past, we did conduct health and welfare inspections of Soldiers POVs, but they were done in front of the soldier. We looked at drivers license, registration, proof of insurance, and the general street worthiness of the vehicle. Wouldn't dream of blatantly searching a Soldiers auto WITHOUT them being present. At the same time, I wouldn't hesitate to ask/influence their permission if I suspected something was amiss, but I'd have their permission and at least one other NCO witness the permission and search.
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Personally me and that sergeant major if he was in a pussy we would go out to the wood line and have some wood line training. Not too many people know what that is these days, and I seriously doubt most sergeant majors do either, or most of them would be too chickenshit
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No he can’t or she can’t but if there is probable calls they can call the military police and they can go into your vehicle yes. You are bored a military installation they can go inside your vehicle and inspect anytime they wish. This is why you see a sign up on every institution/post stating that they can do this
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