Posted on Oct 4, 2014
Can a CSM prohibit a SGT from establishing joint domicile?
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Me and my husband (also a SGT) came to South Korea on Command Sponsored orders for our son (me) and Joint Domicile orders (him). While my company has been extremely supportive to accommodate our needs, his unit is telling him that he is going to have to stay in the barracks the next 2 years (at Suwon Air Base) and come visit us during the weekend (we are at Humphreys), and they are telling him they won't give him the closest base to us (Osan). They are not letting him come see us or stay with us during the next 3 weeks either (in processing). I thought the whole purpose of joint domicile was to have dual military live together. I get the in processing part but can they really make him stay in the Bs even tho his unit's post is within 50mi from mine? Why leadership sometimes feels the need to mess with Soldiers just because they feel like it?
Update: Thank you to all that replied. To answer some of the questions, my husband is Army, 14T ADA, and he could be stationed in Osan. We were successful at establishing our joint domicile. Once my husband respectfully told his CSM that he was going to reach IG and legal the CSM had a change of heart and stationed him in Osan. Thank you for all your advice!
Update: Thank you to all that replied. To answer some of the questions, my husband is Army, 14T ADA, and he could be stationed in Osan. We were successful at establishing our joint domicile. Once my husband respectfully told his CSM that he was going to reach IG and legal the CSM had a change of heart and stationed him in Osan. Thank you for all your advice!
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See References.
a. AR 614-100, Officer Assignment Policies, Details and Transfers
b. AR 614-30, Overseas Service
Always find out the regulations that cover your issues. The CSM must have a reason I would suggest an open door policy and find out his reasoning. Is your husbands MOS - critical response time etc.
Would guess your husband is Airforce if he is in Suwon. Moving around in Korea can take much longer than in most places in the world. I would wager by metro / taxi your looking at around 1:15-1:45 travel time from one location to the next, just travel from Osan to Suwon is 45-55 min.
But I digress, the CSM can make his recommendation but is not the absolute answer. the commander has that honor. And even then you can challenge the decision and escalate for review through chain of command, and file an IG complaint if you feel you are being stone walled.
The 3 weeks for in processing seems a bit extensive (unless he is in a critical position) but not unheard of for crossover training etc.
a. AR 614-100, Officer Assignment Policies, Details and Transfers
b. AR 614-30, Overseas Service
Always find out the regulations that cover your issues. The CSM must have a reason I would suggest an open door policy and find out his reasoning. Is your husbands MOS - critical response time etc.
Would guess your husband is Airforce if he is in Suwon. Moving around in Korea can take much longer than in most places in the world. I would wager by metro / taxi your looking at around 1:15-1:45 travel time from one location to the next, just travel from Osan to Suwon is 45-55 min.
But I digress, the CSM can make his recommendation but is not the absolute answer. the commander has that honor. And even then you can challenge the decision and escalate for review through chain of command, and file an IG complaint if you feel you are being stone walled.
The 3 weeks for in processing seems a bit extensive (unless he is in a critical position) but not unheard of for crossover training etc.
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The CSM can't prohibit joint domicile, but you could get with your CSM to see if he could talk with your husbands CSM to see if they can get him assigned to a unit on Camp Humphreys.
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I'm not familiar in the slightest with joint domicile but unless your husband is facing some kind of formal punishment (i.e. an article 15) I wouldn't think that a CSM could override orders of where he can reside. But like I said I am not familiar with joint domicile in the slightest.
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SGT(P) Kriss Lee,
I must agree with CSM Guy R. Niles, above, there is a rat smell here somewhere.
Rant, rave, and Vent only face to face and behind closed doors. Please, please, both of you stay professional, respectful and document everything. You can't build a Bon fire with hear say or he said she said. Copy all posted roosters DA Form 6 and the AF equivalents.
Please remember 3 very important things here;
1) Your son. Y'all are doing this for him to be raised by a loving M&D working TOGETHER.
2) Yous 2 is young and resilient and can do anything to include standing on your heads for 2 years.
3) This is NOT permanent, this is not static, time is fluid. The CSM could PCS before your tour is up.
This is a training event, that may help either one of you when y'all are CSMs. This to shall pass.
Remember what Dory kinda said in "Finding Nemo" " ... Keep on Smilin' keep on smilin'".
And stay away from the Jinro Soju.
Tim
I must agree with CSM Guy R. Niles, above, there is a rat smell here somewhere.
Rant, rave, and Vent only face to face and behind closed doors. Please, please, both of you stay professional, respectful and document everything. You can't build a Bon fire with hear say or he said she said. Copy all posted roosters DA Form 6 and the AF equivalents.
Please remember 3 very important things here;
1) Your son. Y'all are doing this for him to be raised by a loving M&D working TOGETHER.
2) Yous 2 is young and resilient and can do anything to include standing on your heads for 2 years.
3) This is NOT permanent, this is not static, time is fluid. The CSM could PCS before your tour is up.
This is a training event, that may help either one of you when y'all are CSMs. This to shall pass.
Remember what Dory kinda said in "Finding Nemo" " ... Keep on Smilin' keep on smilin'".
And stay away from the Jinro Soju.
Tim
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I think he can make him stay on base.It is not an open base like some of the others.
If you have to have a passto leave base then yes he can.
If you have to have a passto leave base then yes he can.
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No. The CSM does not have the authority to override DA orders. That being said, he or she can make life absolutely miserable. This situation seems very unfair but if the CSM plays completely by the rules you can reckon on a long and very unpleasant fight that will likely result in an unfavorable endorsement on your husband's next (possibly several) NCOER -- effecting
his prospects for SFC, ANCOC, Sgt Majors' Academy, etc.
I really feel for you in this. Please be aware that, however just your cause may be, a recalcitrant CSM can really ruin your day and you will have little or no recourse.
I expect that, so long as neither of you are in a critical MOS, you will eventually get joint domicile. That said, and speaking from experience, if this CSM is (as appears) a curmudgeon, or your contesting of his/her orders is not done just right, your husband's career will be badly tainted.
I wish you luck.
his prospects for SFC, ANCOC, Sgt Majors' Academy, etc.
I really feel for you in this. Please be aware that, however just your cause may be, a recalcitrant CSM can really ruin your day and you will have little or no recourse.
I expect that, so long as neither of you are in a critical MOS, you will eventually get joint domicile. That said, and speaking from experience, if this CSM is (as appears) a curmudgeon, or your contesting of his/her orders is not done just right, your husband's career will be badly tainted.
I wish you luck.
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1SG Larry Taggart
CSM is most likely not within his Rating scheme. I have NEVER had a CSM or any other rank try and influence me on a rating of an individual nor would I Ever allow it to happen. I am sure that there must be more to the story than what is being told here so for any one of us to say yea or Nay on this would be irresponsible. I recommend that the Soldier go to the IG and lay out the situation and go from there.
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SSG Dale London
I commend you on your strength of character. Would that all NCO's were of such a high standard of integrity.
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Sgt. The CSM knew he was wrong when threatening with I.G. he knew he going let happen but make your husband dot his I and cross his T's and make makes notes what he did for the day because that CSM have cross-eyed on ur husband back side.
Good luck sgt.
Good luck sgt.
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Excellent! No one is above the Laws, Rules and Regulations. Glad it worked out!
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SFC Robert Grandbois
Hillary and hera followers believe laws are for others. Take her Feinstein follower. She continues to attack the Second Ammendment, Veterans and Guns yet she is one of only two with a permit in SF County where it is impossible to get.
My server doesn't have secret government documents. As a past TS custodian, I know she should be arrested for espionage.
My server doesn't have secret government documents. As a past TS custodian, I know she should be arrested for espionage.
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It's been a few years since I was in Korea, but it happened to my wife and I. Although we had command sponsorship orders and we're both authorized to reside off post, my CSM didn't think it was a good idea for two SPC to have that freedom. He was able to hold our car at port, and have my household goods converted from transportation to storage. We were placed in the barracks in separate, but joining, barracks rooms. Ironically, the next command team wanted the barracks space and forced us to move off post. We never got our car our household goods shipped, but we were allowed to buy a beater and drive. I tried to fight the CSM, but legal supported his decision at that time and so did the theater command team.
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