Posted on Jul 26, 2017
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Should an NCO from another company be able to enter a soldiers room wothout his consent or knowledge, and reprimand him for infractions found in said room?
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1SG William Galeener
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First I would need to know why is there an NCO from another Unit in my AO. If the NCO in question was not authorized by my Chain of Command then they are traspassing and are libel to get their feelings hurt.
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CPL Jason Northedge
CPL Jason Northedge
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Or ass whooped! Or both.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Yes. For example, while on Duty I am required to tour the barracks. While I am responsible for the barracks, I may be required to enter another Marine's room while they are not present. I've entered rooms to check in on the occupants, to escort maintenance personnel to fix issues, to help the fire marshalls inspect for safety, etc.

Now if I'm in a Marine's room and I find something out in the open (drugs, a gun, pets, etc) it is literally my duty to correct the infractions. To do otherwise would make me negligent of my responsibilities.

Also, reading your comments, you mentioned that all view was blocked from the outside. I don't know how the Army runs, but in the Marine Corps, all barracks rooms have the window blinds open when the occupants aren't present to prevent unsavory activities from happening in the room.
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Rgr, ill take that advice cpl.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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One, he has general authority as an NCO to make corrections.
Two, he does not have general authority to enter your soldier's quarters, and unless he specifically has authority granted by the chain of command, that is trespassing/unauthorized entry, and probably a criminal UCMJ violation.
Three, he disrespected every NCO in your unit's chain of command by proceeding as he did.
Four, it is up to your soldier's chain of command to reprimand him on barracks inspection items. Illegal items fall under general military authority.
Five, your unit's NCOs should be making some corrections to this NCO from the other unit. Either in person, or through official channels.
Six, If this NCO was off duty, then he had no business being in any soldiers quarters without invitation, and it must be assumed that he entered with bad/criminal intentions. If you have had any theft in that barracks, or nearby barracks, you have a probable suspect, and he should be reported tot he MPS so he can be apprehended immediately and investigated.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - You are so right, by not going thru the soldiers chain of command he dished every NCO in that chain. I never took it well when other NCO's messed with my guys when I was at Ft. Hood. But at Hood, I was a squad leader for WTU and only I knew their medical records and mental status, so it was taboo to mess with another squad leaders team. I had another company's SGT mess with one of my guys who had PTSD, I chewed him out, so he went and got his SFC, I told the SFC lets take this to the commander, he decided to drop it.
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SP5 Richard Welch
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Army has rules as does Marine Corps. Open blinds are for safety of all, not to search out or run across illegal activities. There are limits to all activities in military for a reason.
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SFC Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T)
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Is that NCO from a different unit on CQ and the barracks door was left unsecured?
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SSG Robert Perrotto
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - bottom line is this, it is apparent that the second Soldier had some things that should not have been there, things that appear to me were in the open. It appears to me that soneone is trying barracks lawyer there way out of some trouble
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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SSG Robert Perrotto - If the sliding door was approved by the soldier's chain of command, and was closed, it gives him a reasonable expectation of privacy - as would a curtain. Hell, in the military, crossing a six inch wide red line is stated to be the legal equivalent of crossing a physical barrier, in terms of illegal entry.

If there was some exigent circumstance, then it would be appropriate for the NCO to open the door. If not, then the professional thing to do would be to coordinate with the NCOs from the other soldier's unit, or with the barracks NCO or CQ, so they could make the check. Not doing so was unprofessional, and disrespectful to the chain of command, and to the NCO's of the other unit.

Personally, it sounds like this guy was on the prowl and up to no good - he was off duty, entering an area where he had no legitimate business, to "inspect the quarters" of a soldier that wasn't even in his chain of command.

I smell a thief.

Given the additional information supplied by the OP - that there were no illegal items present, and that the NCO had a history of harassing this soldier when the two of them were in a different unit together, and the appearance that the NCO specifically targeted this soldier, we can see a bad NCO who needs some correction. This NCO is straight up ate up.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - with the additional information, I agree
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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We need an update. Was the criminal NCO apprehended and charged?
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