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As an E5? I don't think my command is going to kick me out. I'm inna rotation right now an im mission essential. I talked with my 1sgnand he think ima just get a reprimand from the CG but no article 15 or separation. Is it possible to stay in and still make career out the Army? How hard will it be for security clearance and trying to get rank passed E6?
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You might lose your clearance and thus your MOS, but that's a separate matter. As a SGT you can definitely overcome a DUI. It will certainly slow your career a bit, you'll probably never commission and there are career enhancing opportunities you'll never receive, but it's not a death sentence to you. In a few years you can request to have the GOMOR moved to your restricted file and the promotion board will never really see it. But it will put you a few years behind your peers and you will probably never become a SGM.
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Additionally, as of 2018 ALL SM's that receive a GOMOR will be initiated for separation. One in their record I mean... If they got a local well... That's another story. I've also seen some suspended GOMOR determinations but SM wood be flagged the whole time until the end of suspension period.
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CW2 (Join to see) that may be a local policy but that is not an Army policy that I am aware of. Commanders may decide to separate junior enlisted if the situation warrants and anyone E6 and above will have their Separation decided by the QMP board
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SFC Boyd, based on my experience with USAR, that is partly correct. Yes, GOMORS will trigger QMP based on unfavorable information (AR 600-37 latest is from 2018). I have seen these happen quickly with AGR soldiers. Not so much with TPUs. The OSJA will most likely in my experience recommend to the commander to initiate a separation board for misconduct. Based on my experience, anyone that has received a GOMOR in their AMHRR (regardless of rank) will be initiated for separation. Even if a QMP is triggered, our office will move forward with the initiation of separation/separation board and whichever occurs first, that one gets processed. https://www.army.mil/article/178974/facing_the_qmp_what_to_do_if_you_have_been_identified
Facing the QMP: What to do if you have been identified
Being notified that you have been selected for separation under the Qualitative Management Program is an inherently stressful experience. It has the potential to affect every fabric of your life and make you feel overwhelmed if you have no idea how t...
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My question is, what are you going to do different? Getting a DUI is a major fuck up and can ruin you both in the military and civilian sector, so what is in your plans moving forward to do different? Dont cherry coat it, I have been lit plenty of times as an officer and still question a couple Oktoberfests in Munich how I managed the subway to get to my hotel. You must start with a plan today that this never happens and never drinking is not a plan.
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Son, you're worryin' 'bout a rubber after she's already pregnant.
The way to overcome a DUI is to stop being a f'kin idiot and not get one in the first place.
The way to overcome a DUI is to stop being a f'kin idiot and not get one in the first place.
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You stand a better chance that the SSGs that have been posting here. You're still a dumbass for drinking and driving, but you can recover....albeit painfully. At least, your recovery should be painful. Personally, if I were your BN CSM, I would recommend to the BN CDR to have you research every single DUI from your base and then give a base wide class brief on why you shouldn't be that damn stupid and how one can actually get safe rides. If you don't lose rank, I will be surprised.
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I’m just amazed in this day and age how a military member gets a DUI. Uber, lyft, battle buddies, sober ride programs near military posts, etc.. plenty of options to get home without driving drunk.
Plenty of drill weekends I’ve told all the troops if they need a lift not to drive and I would work to get them home safely if they chose to drink.
Plenty of drill weekends I’ve told all the troops if they need a lift not to drive and I would work to get them home safely if they chose to drink.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
He lists being in Europe and Airmen Against Drunk Driving just started up again. I used to volunteer and it was a riot. Every post here should have something like that.
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Probably... should it? No, you lack judgment. There are a ton of ways to get home after drinking, and the fact you chose none of them shows me you don't have it to go further.
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I knew an E5 who got a DUI, got busted down to E4. Got his stripes back, made it to E7, got another DUI because he didn't take alcohol seriously. It's not a career killer for you, but I would hope it's a wake-up call to make better decisions in life and not put yourself in situations in which your lack of judgment shows.
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PO3 Pamala McBrayer
Actually, the Navy had a rehab program, that once successfully completed, and as long as you continue to remain a non user, it became a reset opportunity. It actually helped my ex husband recover from breaking his PRP, going AWOL. Instead of getting busted out, he became a but if a rockstar…got his crow back and was on his way to regaining PRP. People can rehabilitate but follow up supervision is necessary.
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Based on the background given on your question, yes. But it depends on how hard they want to hammer you. As a junior soldier, it'd probably be easier for you leadership to sweep this under the rug (as I've seen so many leadership teams do). But you're a sergeant. You're an NCO. A g--damn leader! Which means you should m---erf---ing know better! Moreover, don't think that just because you're 'mission essential' that they won't separate you. You can have your Ranger tab, Master Parachutist Wings, and a bunch of other cool stuff AND STILL get the ax. Best of luck to you.
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CPL Adam Schoenwald
Well Said,, I know leadership is human just like another but that rank makes you tow the line, you can't lead from the rear classic example right here.
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I have never heard of an NCO getting a DUI and not getting at least a field grade and a GOMAR.
Can you overcome this? Yes. It will require contrition and a willingness to learn from your incredible lack of judgement. As an NCO what would be your recommendation for one of your soldiers getting a DUI? Read your promotion orders to sergeant again, pay particular attention to that part where it say special trust and confidence in your demonstrated leadership potential. Now ask yourself does risking the lives of every other person on the road by drinking and driving demonstrate leadership? What should the consequences be?
Can you overcome this? Yes. It will require contrition and a willingness to learn from your incredible lack of judgement. As an NCO what would be your recommendation for one of your soldiers getting a DUI? Read your promotion orders to sergeant again, pay particular attention to that part where it say special trust and confidence in your demonstrated leadership potential. Now ask yourself does risking the lives of every other person on the road by drinking and driving demonstrate leadership? What should the consequences be?
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Yes it absolutely is possible, I've seen Soldiers make a complete turn around and get their rank back after getting knocked with a field grade NJP. The question is, how much effort do you want to put in.
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