Posted on Apr 18, 2019
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I am a female in the army current on rotation over seas. I was just told by my team leader that my platoon Sgt (female) told him that I need to start wearing a bra while off duty. in the clothes that I wear, you can't see my nipple or even the color of my nipple nor do I wear revealing or low cut shirts. At the most, you can just see that I am simply not wearing one. Nowhere in any reg does it say it’s required not even in uniform. Can she tell me to do so?
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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I don't even begin to know what to even remotely try to say to that, honest....
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COL John Hudson
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Daniel, "I don't know" is the basic tenant for learning. Educate yourself with Army Regulation 670-1, paragraph 3-9 (Page 15). If not already, you will eventually be placed in a Command position consistent with your rank and may have to field a question similar to this. IF/WHEN in doubt, do not hesitate to contact your Inspector General Office for guidance.
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Capt Daniel Goodman
Capt Daniel Goodman
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I understand, sir, many thanks...I've been out a very long time now, I'm total perm disabled...I just found the question rather unusual, which was my sole reason for having reacted in that fashion, though I of course completely understand your explanation, certainly, many thanks, sir, in any event, by all means....
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COL John Hudson
COL John Hudson
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Same with me, Daniel. 100% disabled, homebound & unemployable. Sprayed Agent Orange in Vietnam = colon, testicular & bladder cancers. No complaints, have to manage it, that's all. As for the question itself - same principles apply even in the civilian world. I'm happy that I can still be useful in sharing my IG education/experience with those who come here seeking answers. Take care. John
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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I follow, sir, many thanks for answering, I'm noncombat, I never got to go, I was on the list for Desert Shield/Storm in 90, however, I was never used, obv...I'm trying to find a way to volunteer with VA to help with clinical research, For knows, I've been trying for 44 yrs, ever since Army ROTC, then USAF OTS...it never happened, no matter how hard I tried, I was one of the unlucky ones, I'd wanted to be a flight surgeon when I'd been in, I'd tried to go USPHS later while doing my allied health doctorate, we shut my license off due to my disability stuff, I'd done an extern under a USPHS O-6, that, too, unfortunately, never happened either, I'm afraid, I'd you might ever have any thoughts that could ever be of use, God knows my wife and I would appreciate any ideas, I'm trying to go VA Vic rehab, and seek a VA legal exception to pokicy, to let me able to try to help with such research, if at all feasible...this far, it's taking an Act God, an Act of Congress, a papal dispensation, and a thunderbolt from Zeus on Mt Olympus, I'm afraid, so any ideas would ob V be most welcome, as I'd said, so far as you might have any at all, of course, no rush, whenever might be at all cinvenient, obv....
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MSgt Andre Stringer
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I was a grunt and never been a Plt Sgt but as enlisted a Plt Commander. I know that sounds strange. I have always enforced strict uniform regulations. Back in the day before Marines went on liberty we had to get a liberty pass and were inspected by the duty NCO. If we did meet the standards we had to change. At one-time blue jeans and sneakers were not allowed. Over the years that changed and we were allowed to wear what we want on liberty. Things like standing in the pay line and getting $60,00 in cash every 2 weeks were over. When I was a Plt Commander. I was upset the way a few Marines dressed on liberty. My Plt Sgt told me it is not much you can do about it. I found ways to correct that problem. When I left the grunts and was in H&S Bn. It the first time I had to deal with female Marines (WM) as a leader. I did not care if they did not wear a bra in civvies. I was only concerned about them meeting Marine Corps standards in uniform and performing their duties. One female Marine Sgt made a serious mistake when I pulled her aside to discuss her uniform infractions. She said SSgt if you have something to tell me you can say it in front of everyone. I am old school infantry, locked her heels and went the fuck off on her. She was in tears and troops in that interservice unit put the word out. " Don't mess with that crazy Marine grunt SSgt." There was a hardcore Army SSgt Vietnam vet in that unit no one would mess with. He was the of one of the few who knew I was a Vietnam combat vet. He was not afraid to crack the whip and enforce discipline. He did not take shit from males or females and was feared. BTW have some people seen some military females in public, not in uniform? Bra or no bra they are sexy as hell. No one would have a clue they are military. I had a minor problem with a WM Cpl who worked in legal. I only saw her in uniform on Base but ran into her at a bar off base in civies. She was hot with her hair down and wearing tight jeans. She flirted but I had no clue who she was. She called by name and said I know her from legal. I said you are the one in the front office I have to deal with involving legal problems with my Marines I said you are a very sexy good looking woman out of uniform. She said Gunny I look better with no clothes on. I had to remind her I was an E-7 and she was an E-4. I think this whole thing is about a famle Plt Sgt having a problem with females wearing a bra off duty. Most don'tgive a shit.
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SFC Michael W.
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You're in civies...unless you are at a military function like Bn or Bde sports day or similiar, you should be able to where your attire as you feel as long as it's not racist or derogatory toward the military. The scary thing is that the Regs stipulates what you can and cannot do with loopholes in the system. The key thing is to remember is that you represent the Armed Forces of the United States and the way some people sees you in public can and possibly will make assumptions both in positive and negative ways about the military as well as yourself.
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So if you do that ensure to check you male soldiers for underwear and undershirts.
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Once upon a time, the PT uniform included gray "daisy duke" shorts. Many Soldiers preferred to wear the shorts without underwear. We had several Soldiers, both male and female, that were constantly exposing themselves. Yes, male and female. This was before the black spandex shorts were approved for wear under the uniform shorts.
The point is- soldiers who let their parts out got counseled to wear underwear. Soldiers who could keep their parts covered in their shorts didn't get counseled. If you were getting counseled there was a reason.
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So you going to address the fact that your eye balling you soldiers breast and assuming that she is not wearing a bra. Find what the policy is, there were many times I was with higher ranking officers and senior Nco in pants and shirts so tight it was like being in anatomy 101 that includes army uniform wasn’t wrong but it looked wrong. SGT (Join to see)
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CW3 (Join to see) - I think there are much more tactful ways to address these sorts of issues then simply saying "I've been looking at your chest/groin and it doesn't look right."

As far as someone assuming incorrectly she's not wearing a bra, that isn't the case here as SPC Bolden as said she has gone braless in public while wearing civilian clothes.
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I read that and how would you female platoon Sgt know your bra less. People don’t volunteer this information. And you can’t counsel unless you have regulation or policy to support what you’re saying. The bottom line if they’re willing to Counsel the female soldier then they need to check them all. If you’re in a leadership position or not and you’re staring at a male or female soldier long enough to distinguish if they’re wearing undergarments that’s the issues and sexual harassment. SGT (Join to see)
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SPC Byron Skinner
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SP4 Byron Skinner. It is now a fact of life that females will be assigned to former male MOSs, and will be in mixed gender platoon. One the subject to wearing the proscribed under garments I have to admit I didn't sea any underwear in Vietnam. It was to attractive to the leaches crawling on your legs on night missions. Yes I did see a couple of guys that got leaches on the testicles and scrotums, not pretty to have these blood filled sack hanging below your testicles… The only salvation of leaches is that when they bite into you, you can't feel it, really the first inkling of a leach bite is the sack of warm stuff goring down your body…Female shoulders should be able to wear what ever underclothing that makes the most comfortable. ..Off duty off post, the best advice for the US Army is to look the other way. Some unit commanders have a bayonet up their six and like to concern themselves with an issue like this are not needed in the US Army any more, best to retire them.
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SPC Byron Skinner
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Sp4 Byron Skinner…This a 60 year throw back. In the 1960 The Marine Recruit Depot in San Diego had a policy go no females over 12 years old can wear shorts on base. I don't recall any fe,ale garrison on base but they dis have some family housing. This was the era of the mini skirt, also banded and Hot Pants in ladies attire. The law was bounced back and forth for a summer when somebody went to court on it. The local command lost, the judge didn't even let it come to a drill . Regarding any dress requirements that fits with in the scope of the services members duty was with in the scope of the Base Commanders authority and the uniform when on duty. Off duty and off base the unit commander has not a base commanders authority, the service is subject to local laws. Back on base it the Base commander. One of the pictures in the discovery process was Marines on duty at the Base swimming pool wearing Speedo's….The Army has a fun regulation that a soldiers traveling to a new duty station had to wear they uniform in transit and performing any official functions such as recruiting had to be in uniform. In 1966 this was a huge problem.
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SPC Ronald Speakman
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It is unfortunate but the foolish experiment of having women serve alongside men since the 1970s has been catastrophic for the careers of male solders and officers. I personally witnessed the destruction in moral and unit efficiency during my enlistment. There is no doubt most male enlisted ranks believe women are treated differently and allowed to use their sex in avoiding work details, dress codes, sick calls etc., especially in the field. The rate of suicides are direct result of poor leadership brought on by the irrational female brain that we see so much of in the democratic party. Young men are not equipped to deal with a females constant drama and recognize how women are treated differently especially when comes to sex and a majority of female soldiers uses their sex to get what she wants .Leadership refuses to stand up to this wicked experiment on young men, who are expected to think like women and recognize they are similarly situated but treated entirely differently "so deal with it." The career Officer Corps has done nothing to help the enlisted in all theses years by standing up to this lunacy. Not even the Army of Israel allows woman to be treated differently than males. I would support a general day of protest for all soldiers to put a stop to this lunacy or a day of silence to all females, until the Leadership separate the females into a separate branch like in WWII
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CPL Joseph Elinger
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MSG Barbara Hensley Lawson
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Wow ... and you made it all the way to the rank of SPC [sarcasm implied] with that attitude. I'm surprised that you weren't fragged by a female who was unfortunate enough to have had to serve with you.
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SSG Dale London
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If I am mistaken then I beg your pardon but your comment smells suspiciously troll-like. The sexism and misogyny with which you have peppered your diatribe leads me to suspect you are merely trying to provoke outrage.
I will now proceed to ignore you.
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SSG Elyzabeth Cromer
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Dang, fifty years of integration you would think the old timers would be gone. Are you saying that breasts are still the reason the ones that are in now can't hack it? Here we have been mislead by the conservatives for the last few years and believed that it was it was because they are liberal snowflakes. How silly of us...
I am thinking that somebody has a few unresolved issues.
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SGT Brittany Sd
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I would love to see how that counseling statement ended up ..
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CPT Colton Norwood
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Absolutely not.
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SPC Phillip Sheppard
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In this day and age good luck with that as a retired Police Officer who went back to Active duty and Retired! There are certain lines I won’t cross like telling a woman she needs a bra. In the real world the Law states you must be covered it doesn’t cover undergarments! The law of the Land off post meaning State and Local Laws! Be careful of what you think your Rank gives you because it ends at the gate! Walk up to a woman soldier or not and demand she put on on bra and cause a disturbance! And it will escalate in public and draw public attention! It’s a career ender and makes you look like a perv!

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