Posted on Apr 18, 2019
Can a platoon sgt tell a female soldier that she is required to wear a bra when in civilians?
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I am a female in the army current on rotation over seas. I was just told by my team leader that my platoon Sgt (female) told him that I need to start wearing a bra while off duty. in the clothes that I wear, you can't see my nipple or even the color of my nipple nor do I wear revealing or low cut shirts. At the most, you can just see that I am simply not wearing one. Nowhere in any reg does it say it’s required not even in uniform. Can she tell me to do so?
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DA Pam 670-1
Women in the Military
Posted 5 y ago
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Your platoon Sgt is full of a whole lot of stupid. She can't dictate what clothes you wear of duty. If it ain't in the UCMJ, then she can't do it.
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BG John Kross
You are Correct LCpl Vail, what this Platoon Sergeat is doing is bordering on harassment.
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It IS required in uniform - per regulations. Check the female clothing regulations. They state we must wear the "proper foundation garments" while in uniform. These garments include wearing both a pair of panties and a bra.
Specialist 4 Jane Garwood
Specialist 4 Jane Garwood
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Because you are now army property to put it bluntly, you are obliged to follow orders even in civilian clothes. The reason the NCO is telling you not to go bra-less, is because there are some men who do not, or cannot control themselves. Ft bliss is an example, the sexual harassment will be heaped upon you and yes the men sometimes are pigs. If you do not want to deal with that unwanted attention, I strongly suggest you don't allow yourself to slip into a situation that will endanger you. I know it's hard to hear but, I assure you it's worth it. Maintaining a professional conservative appearance protects you. Take the time to measure the character of your peers, some will protect you and be gentlemen, others will not. I did end up helping my room mate deal with a rape by one of our peers. She trusted him, but alas he did not even try to control himself. It was awful. So please take the effort to remain out of reach to those types and yes please, put on a bra, even when in civilian clothes.
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...no, but your commander can do so. NCOs don’t make policy; they enforce policy.Commanders are policy makers.
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Interesting that your platoon sergeant told a male to deliver the order and that instead of delivering as if his own, he told you she told him. Overall an awkward situation. I’m glad you have been civil.
You’re asking leadership to split hairs interpreting regulations. Uniform Refs all state in one way or another to be conservative.
I did a google search and found this article that states:
“ (3) How worn. Females will wear brassieres and underpants with all uniforms.”
Frankly, in my 20 years in the Corps, civilian attire was considered our off-duty uniform. Remember, you’re a soldier 24/7/365.
Semper Fi
https://www.ar670.com/2018/12/21/undergarments/
You’re asking leadership to split hairs interpreting regulations. Uniform Refs all state in one way or another to be conservative.
I did a google search and found this article that states:
“ (3) How worn. Females will wear brassieres and underpants with all uniforms.”
Frankly, in my 20 years in the Corps, civilian attire was considered our off-duty uniform. Remember, you’re a soldier 24/7/365.
Semper Fi
https://www.ar670.com/2018/12/21/undergarments/
a. Brassieres and underpants. (1) Type. Brassieres and underpants are a one-time cash allowance purchase as part of the initial clothing bag allowance. (2) Description. Brassieres and underpants may be of a commercial design, in white, black, or other neutral colors that are not readily apparent when worn under the uniform. The category of brassieres also includes sports bras. (3) How worn. Females will wear brassieres and underpants with all...
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I’d go out and buy the most sheer bra available and then I’d buy fake nipples to poke through it and wait for someone to ‘inspect’ your bra strap.
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Considering the nature of the discussion, the female Sgt. should have been the one to tell you, to at least give you specifics as to why you were getting that directive. It could've been due to local customs/expectations, or in violation of military regulations. Either way, she should have spared your male team leader this uncomfortable conversation. Sorry, Sister. Cover the girls, per orders.
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SPC Munique Robinson
I am so confused why we are all afraid to follow CoC on this one? IF she was still in civvies then YES, PSG could/should have addressed her directly. If it was after the fact and being addressed on duty then TL is the one supposed to talk to direct underling. All thus BS of "well, she might say I am harassing her".... You simply say: Per PSG _______, you need to remember that while overseas off duty is still on duty and you need to adhere to uniform code and wear ALL undergarments. Questions? Then we can go up the chain and talk to PSG ______ together." Smdh.
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