Posted on Apr 18, 2019
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I am a female in the army current on rotation over seas. I was just told by my team leader that my platoon Sgt (female) told him that I need to start wearing a bra while off duty. in the clothes that I wear, you can't see my nipple or even the color of my nipple nor do I wear revealing or low cut shirts. At the most, you can just see that I am simply not wearing one. Nowhere in any reg does it say it’s required not even in uniform. Can she tell me to do so?
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SSG Harry Outcalt
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Welcome to your first taste of Military politics.. Your issue is not much different than males not wearing underwear while off duty, the only circumstance that it is allowed is when wearing swimming attire... Since your direct Chain of Command is suggesting it , it is a lawful suggestion not an lawful order yet.. That comes later if you choose to continue to ignore the suggestion. That being said , it's not about right or wrong it is simply your Plt Sgt. exercising her right as your Plt Sgt to oversee your appearance outside of duty, clearly she feels your lack of additional chest support is an issue, however she is suggesting and not ordering you to wear more chest protection while off duty. She could have simply counseled you on the issue as a negative counseling. IT escapes me at the moment what the UCMJ regulation is maybe UCMJ 122 i think , but it falls under failure to repair. Which is a catchall to correct so called bad behavior .. Bottomline your Plt Sgt is well within her rights as your direct Chain of Command to suggest you better support your Lady parts while off duty in civilian attire, would be no different than suggesting a male soldier wear underwear beneath his pants....
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SFC Regina Boyd
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I guess I could say, "Is it a lawful order?" I'll answer that as a definitve "NO." Although much of our freedoms are voluntarily waived while we are serving, my right to wear a bra or NOT wear a bra while on MY time, OFF-duty, is MY business. For the time being, however, my recommendation is that you observe and respect that "order" while in public places (the store, a bar, the mall, a restaurant, etc.). If I'm in the privacy of my home, backyard, frontyard and I don't wear a bra, well, hell. That order is over-reaching. Of course what you wrote is YOUR version of the story, I'm sure there's another version that we don't know about unless your PLT SGT likes staring at your chest area to see whether or not you're wearing a bra or not, which is a bit perverse...
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SSG Harry Outcalt
SSG Harry Outcalt
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sorry SFC, but the your off duty is your business is a misnomer, as a member of the United States Military. You are on call 24/7/365 so no real such thing as off duty as in your are free, that only means your are relieved of duty, not your responsibilities to the United States Military Services. and as you are already aware Military appearance must be maintained at all times regardless of duty status. all Nco's and Officers should be aware of this and most commanders and CSM/SM usually provide some guidelines regarding this. Most of the times it is over looked unless it comes to the attention of the Chain of Command. Like in this case, so the PSG had to act . Just the how the action occurred was the correct way to correct a soldier and instruct her squad leader in the correct way to handle opposite sex issues by following the Chain of Command down to the Soldier...
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Pvt Richard hm Baker
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Any higher rank can do if conduct unbecoming I Strongly suggest whomever dose that should experiment with a Bam . Oh make sure use my name pls kept sitrep marked classified sent forward JPAO-ISO. Atten. 2nd.Force Troops with cc
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BG John Kross
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You should check AR 670-1 20-28 and you'll find that you are incorrect
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SGT Randy Houston
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Your off Duty so it's up to you.
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CPT Carolyn Andrews
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It has to do with conformity with the squad, platoon, and company.
It also has to do with the dress code for females in foreign countries.
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SN Jeffrey White
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I find the self entitled, that's not fair, you cant make me generation to be upsetting.
You were not hired by McDonald's, You JOINED into a MILITARY organization. Grow up.
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COL Chief, Payroll Branch
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SPC Bolden - The note from 1SG Johnston is on target. To add more context, as most soldiers want their individual freedoms (including myself), those freedoms stop while on post and more so as soon as you hit an overseas post.

The first flag on your question is your current "rotation over seas". Before taking issue with the order or "suggestion" from your NCO leadership, you may ask (politely and respectfully) for some context from the PLT SGTs perspective. I am almost certain she knows something she didnt mention to your team leader about the local customs and the installation commander's local regulations. Even if the reply s a "just 'cause", I suggest follow the advise and move on.
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CW3 Ed Heick
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Whether you like it or not, you DID volunteer to JOIN THE ARMY, not the other way around. I would check with your CSM for the latest regulation pertaining to your situation, but I do believe there is something in AR 670-1 reference to civilian attire. Personal pride in or out of uniform while in the military separates who you are from those outside the service. Good luck
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SSgt Megan Donahue
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I suppose she wanted you to wear a shirt too! Run around in a bathing suit top and see her have a seizure. It sounds like her problem. Go buy one of those missile tit bras that Madonna wore and ask her if she is happy now. It is weird that she noticed and felt compelled to say something in the first place.
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