Posted on May 28, 2020
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Our past CSM has reportedly been coming onto post in uniform and issuing directives even tho he retired 6 months ago
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CW4 Keith Dolliver
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No, of course not. Some people just have a hard time giving it up though. The guys that still work on post after retirement, i.e. DACs, Contractors, etc are usually the worst offenders.

I remember one instance when I was a young Soldier, I had only been in the Army about 2 years at that point. I was with one of those 10-year TIS E-4s and I don't remember why exactly but some retired E-9 tried to get in his butt about something. My friend just blew him off, which really ticked off the retired E-9 even more... he says "well I'm retired Sergeant Major so-and-so"... to which my friend responds "key word is retired" and continues walking again.
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SFC Craig Titzkowski
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Ok Here I go First things first most retired senior NCO don't want to go on base and correct soldiers. We have earned our rank it's on our ID cards and when a retired office or Warrant officer goes through the gates at a base still gets saluted. NCO are called by there rank that hasn't changed. I personally think on the spot corrections are a part of the military if you are on retirement pay or Half pay you still getting paid. I don't and have never corrected anyone since I retired but I have said something to an active member in a very suggestive and respectful way about a correction. We are all vested in the military and we don't want to see it go wrong and get weak so we still contribute in what ever way we can. We just need to realize you can't bark out at soldiers when we are retired we have to be more diplomatic about how we address soldiers we are no longer uncharged of . The right answer is be the example even when your not wearing the uniform and if you have the occasion to wear that uniform with everything you have earned then wear it proud and Be No Do. You have earned you Rank, Awards and respect don't blow it on one Joe doing the wrong thing be a perfectional use the NCO Channels and keep what you have and what the army has That's it hope you guys understand my meaning
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CW3 Property Book Officer (Pbo)
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I remember those guys in Iraq/Afghanistan the first thing they would tell me was their retired rank and then usually a comment about how jacked up my soldiers were. I was always polite but vowed never to use my former military rank as collateral ever
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CW3 Property Book Officer (Pbo)
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Yeah you did the right thing for sure!! Especially in a joint environment we have to look our best SFC Freddie Porter
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PO3 Michael Moran
PO3 Michael Moran
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I once had a part time job as a rent a cop. One of my bosses was a retired Air Force col. He walks into the totally empty building where I was at 3am and commenced to chew me out for not having my hat on. He was yelling and threating all manner of consequences for this infraction. I waited until he was finished and then threw the hat frizzbe like to him and told him to wear the damn hat and walked out. He had to learn he couldn't talk to civilians like that.
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LTC Kevin B.
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There are two separate issues here, issuing directives and wearing the uniform. Regarding issuing directives, he has no authority to do that. He may have influence, but no specific authority. If leaders are allowing him to influence them, that's not necessarily wrong (although the level of influence might be problematic from a leadership standpoint and require some form of leadership intervention). Regarding the uniform, unless there are other pertinent details that you have left out, according to AR 670-1 he cannot wear the uniform in such a scenario. The regulation states that retired personnel can wear the uniform in "occasions of ceremony" that:

"include, but are not limited to, military balls, military parades, weddings, military funerals, memorial services, meetings, conferences, or similar functions of associations formed for military purposes, of which the membership is composed largely or entirely of current or honorably discharged veterans of the Armed Forces of the United States."

It also states that:

"retired personnel are authorized to wear the uniform only on the following occasions:
(1) While attending military funerals, memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2) Attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any Active or Reserve U.S. military unit is taking part. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service and dress uniforms; the combat uniform and physical fitness uniforms will not be worn. Wearing the Army uniform at any other time, or for any other purpose than stated above, is prohibited."

So, it appears as if it's wrong for him to simply show up on post in uniform. If he has been invited for some sort of meeting, conference, etc., it may fall into a gray area where a person in leadership may have to make that decision. That's based on my reading of the regulation.
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SSgt Carroll Straus
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Sigoth, not digitSSgt Carroll Straus
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SFC Matthew Boyd III
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Respect is earned! Nuff Said!
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SFC Matthew Boyd III
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SFC Matthew Boyd III - Retirement is Retirement! Unless there is a directive by an official mandate, can one continue to serve in their previous capacity.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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You said reportedly, that means you do not know. Nor do you know how much leave he had built up. With deployments there is a chance he had that and more. I retired not too long ago and with all I have built up I was on the payroll for almost seven months. If he is on leave and wants to make corrections in uniform he can do so. Now, if he is officially retired and you have more than speculation, whomever he corrected to speak with the current CSM. It would be a mighty bold move of home to do this. Unlikely at best.
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PFC Matt Ochmanski
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I knew that at that point it wouldn’t have turned out good in my favor. I think him looking down a barrel of an M9 and having to sit in a patrol vehicle while people looked and being treated like a felon! Plus I know it reached the CG’s office, I had to report on the carpet to explain the situation. I asked my LTC what was going on? He advised that the CG wanted to know exactly what happened. I even wrote a 2823 after the incident. Our LTC was a soldier’s officer.
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Maj Gail Lofdahl
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PFC Matt Ochmanski - At an AF base that will remain unidentified, about 30 years ago, an SP tried to pull over the commanding general for speeding. The general refused to stop and the SP followed him all the way to the general's base housing. Of course the general chewed him out, but to his credit, the sergeant put the ticket under the general's wiper blade anyway and let the general tear it up and throw it on the ground. Of course the SP squadron commander got a call. (I heard this story from the SP squadron commander, who was laughing so hard he could barely get the words out.) Needless to say, news of the incident spread like wildfire and soon the whole base was laughing at the general, who was a genuine ass.
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PFC Matt Ochmanski
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Maj Gail Lofdahl Just shows that sometimes that the individual with the highest rank is the lowest of the low. Rank does make the person, the person makes the rank!
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Maj Gail Lofdahl
Maj Gail Lofdahl
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PFC Matt Ochmanski - I think some high-ranking individuals develop hubris (AKA "I can do anything I want") when they're promoted to flag rank. The same individual was caught (by his wife) engaging in sexual activity with a subordinate in his office. Didn't get another star, and retired not long after. It makes me cringe when I think of what mayhem he probably inflicted on women in the corporate world.
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