Posted on Apr 11, 2019
Can a soldier be flagged for not completing SSD1/DLC1?
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My unit leadership has recently put out that junior enlisted soldiers will now be flagged if they do not complete their appropriate SSD/DLC’s. I have researched numerous regulation’s, MILPER’s, ALARACT’s, policy letters, etc to see just where the Army states this ability on paper. I could not find a correlating reason for a flag in AR 600-8-2 for not completing SSD/DLC. However, I have came across an Army Directive that states a soldier may possibly be barred from reenlistment if they do not complete SSD/DLC by the time they reach their primary zone. With that being said, it said nothing about initiating a flag on those soldiers. Is anyone able to point me in the right direction to see what regulation/policy states that soldiers who don’t complete the appropriate SSD’s/DLC’s can be flagged?
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When you were enrolled in SSD1/DLC1, that was a directive to complete the training.
If your commander directed that all soldiers enrolled will complete it, that is a direct order.
If an NCO told you to complete it, or addressed that expectation in a written counseling, that is a lawful order.
Failure to comply with a directive, direct order or lawful order can be construed as inefficiency or misconduct, either one can warrant a flag and even reduction in grade.
So, yes, a Commander can do what you are describing.
And I suspect that several warnings and deadlines have already passed before he put this out.
It is a 40 hour course, (less than that really). If you put in just 1 hour a day you would be done next month.
If your commander directed that all soldiers enrolled will complete it, that is a direct order.
If an NCO told you to complete it, or addressed that expectation in a written counseling, that is a lawful order.
Failure to comply with a directive, direct order or lawful order can be construed as inefficiency or misconduct, either one can warrant a flag and even reduction in grade.
So, yes, a Commander can do what you are describing.
And I suspect that several warnings and deadlines have already passed before he put this out.
It is a 40 hour course, (less than that really). If you put in just 1 hour a day you would be done next month.
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SGT Malcolm Kitchen
They could just Article 134 "catch all" you if they seemed fit, at least that was the big one back in my glory days, sure much has changed now but the Article still exists. Why push it? Do what you were told to do and get it over with and stop playing Lawyer. The Lawyer game is a loosing game on your side of the table...always
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When you are Barred, you are Flagged. If Soldiers just get their DLC/SSD done, then there is no issue to be concerned about.
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2LT (Join to see)
It was my understanding that a bar does not always constitute a flag. I could be wrong but I am just trying to expand my knowledge. I agree with getting SSD/DLC done as I have mine completed. I just don’t think soldiers should be flagged if regulation does not allow it for this instance.
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MSG (Join to see)
2LT (Join to see) - A Bar to Reenlist does require and result in a Flag. As for the Flag for not completing the SSD/DLC is by this avenue: The Commander makes a formal order stating that ALL SOLDIERS will have their SSD/DLC complete. If the Soldiers do not, then they have failed to follow an order. Violation of Articles 91 and 92. Which will result in a Flag and possibly so much more.
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You can't be flagged for not completing SSD. There is no flag for failing to complete SSD. It would be a stretch to flag someone for adverse action for refusing to follow a direct order to complete SSD, but that's the closest you could get.
HRC will automatically place a code against you barring you from reenlistment though.
HRC will automatically place a code against you barring you from reenlistment though.
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2LT (Join to see)
SFC (Join to see) thank you for the clarifying response. That makes sense to me now.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Then, could my chain of command contact HRC to put the code in place against that Soldier?
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SSG(P) (Join to see) the code is automatically placed against the Soldier when they reach their primary zone for promotion.
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I believe the only way you could be flagged is for failure to follow a lawful order. That said, I’m not a barracks lawyer, so I will just advise you to take the easy path, that is the path of least resistance.
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I have never seen a Bar without a Flag. They go hand in hand. If you are unworthy of future service, you are unworthy of favorable actions (I am not classifying you as not worthy, but your decisions will). If you wish to leave the service with dignity and honor you must upfield the standards of the Army. Attending these programs brings value to your worth as a civilian as well. So wether you stay or go, it will only enhance you as a person. You have been worthy thus far why leave on a negative. Thank you for your service.
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They could just Article 134 "catch all" you if they
seemed fit, at least that was the big one back in
my glory days, sure much has changed now but
the Article still exists. Why push it? Do what you
were told to do and get it over with and stop
playing Lawyer. The Lawyer game is a loosing
game on your side of the table...always. All that time spent doing that research could have been used to complete the SSD1/DLC1 and this discussion wouldn't be.
seemed fit, at least that was the big one back in
my glory days, sure much has changed now but
the Article still exists. Why push it? Do what you
were told to do and get it over with and stop
playing Lawyer. The Lawyer game is a loosing
game on your side of the table...always. All that time spent doing that research could have been used to complete the SSD1/DLC1 and this discussion wouldn't be.
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I'm just saying I have yet to complete either, and I have already extended. I feel like it's not a big deal, unless you want to progress your career. If im being honest its not the old army anymore. Whats the worst that will happen you stay a SPC then ETS when your time hits? Unnecessary work!
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Situations like these are the reason I am so happy that I had graduated M-SLC two months prior to SSD coming out in 2009. I was automatically grandfathered through SSD 3 and automatically enrolled into SSD 4.
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