Posted on Sep 14, 2016
Can a soldier be forced to attend an Audie Murphy board?
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I have an NCO who is being forced to compete in an Audie Murphy board 8 days after notification. Is there any justification to get him out of it? The 1SG is relentless, and the CSM is unresponsive pertaining to the situation.
This is a good NCO, who doesn't want to make a fool of himself at a prestigious Corps level board.
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Note: Photo added by RP staff.
This is a good NCO, who doesn't want to make a fool of himself at a prestigious Corps level board.
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Note: Photo added by RP staff.
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Sergeant Audie Murphy Club (SAMC)
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Sergeant Audie Murphy Club (SAMC) Mandatory
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Boards are to develop the shoulder in a garrison mode amongst his or her peers. Confidence is key they are not looking for someone who knows it all but is willing TO strive to better themselves under stress and pressure. Sure you have a few seniors that are ruled by arrogance but you meet those everywhere
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He had ample time to prepared. There are tools to handle this lack of discipline. Not sure what is the rank (he or she) of the particular NCO. My question is why he or she wearing the stripe or being called NCO. This individual ought to know better. Or is the Chain of Command or the NCO Support Channel lack of judgment.
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I have been reading the responses to this, and I see a lot of whoa is me. I am sorry people but as an E-5 and above, we should have the information in our head. You have had your entire career to prepare for this board.
As an NCO we are to set the example. What does this kind of whiney ass shit day to our subordinates.
As an NCO we are to set the example. What does this kind of whiney ass shit day to our subordinates.
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I am of two oppinions of this, fit's being voluntold for two boards myself, (did well at one and tanked the other) I have to admit they were learning experiances, that being said I didn't join the Marine Corps to further my "career" or to win shiny medals or the "prestige" of he higher brass, I joined to do my duty to my country and serve in the best way I could, personally I hated boards and any other "career advancement" that sint have anything to do directly with my MOS or my ability to lead, I didn't need to show off and as long as I knew my Marines and my job was on point I could not have cared less what the upper brass thought, I once told my acting CO who wanted a nominee "with all do respect sir if it doesn't have to do with getting these aircraft off the ground and back safe or with one of marines doing the same I really don't have time" lucky for me he was a great CO and all he said was "carry on" and walked out.
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Wow, some of the comments in this blog made me realize how weak, lazy, misguided and sensitive our Army has become. Yes, in the past history, there has been refusals to fight and win, but I'm talking about WW1, WW2, Iraq, Afghanistan, and so many other wars. But we are talking about a board!?! If you are a SGT and above, and you are afraid or too lazy to compete for any board, you are wrong. It is part of our military history, tradition, and custom. It is all about pride of who you are and your ability to present yourself to the best of your ability in front of your leadership in a formal setting. Instead I often hear, "I am not ready, I did not prepare," or "send him or her instead, I don't want to fill up that slot, it will be wasted on me," or "they are making me do it (hell yes they are, because you are too lazy or afraid to volunteer on your own accord)." For you Leaders...have you ever asked for a private to volunteer for a detail or an event from your formation? Or simply just say in front of your formation..."I need a private!" If no one moves forward...what did you do?.... I would go ballistic if none of them moved with a purpose and a high level of motivation to my position and say "Roger, 1SG!" I went to the board because I expect to do what I would ask my future Soldiers to do. I did not make it the first time, but I went again and was inducted. Audie Murphy's motto..."YOU LEAD FROM THE FRONT!"
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SSG Robert Webster
1SG (Join to see) - You do have a couple of excellent points. However, I would suggest a few items:
#1 - The SAMC and SAMA associations first need to police their ranks and do it publicly.
#2 - The SAMC - IS NOT - historical, traditional, or custom. (And I am using 'custom' with its proper meaning - long-established practice considered as unwritten law.)
#3 - The membership of the SAMC and SAMA awardees for the most part do not know the history of their organization, nor do most of them live up to the credo or motto. I will list them here for those that do not know or remember them:
a. Serves as a leader of character, competence and commitment; who is an example for subordinates, peers and supervisors alike.
b. Be mature and share the values of their profession and their unit with others.
c. Exercise sound judgment and leadership principles.
d. Display examples of professional Army ethics.
e. Strengthen and develop the Seven Army Values in Soldiers.
f. Display the Warrior Ethos.
g. Display exemplary physical fitness and marksmanship skills.
h. No adverse action within 24-months of the initial boarding process. (IOW - Be of 'sound character')
"Lead From The Front!"
By the way the Sergeant Morales Club was founded in 1973 and the Sergeant Audie Murphy Club was founded in 1986.
Bottom line and executive summary - "Know and take care of your soldiers".
I will only give one example of why the SAMC is a failure - CSM Angelia Flournoy.
I will even do you one better - you pick any unit that has a member of the SAMC and we conduct an u-announced on the spot inspection of the NCOs and I can prove that the SAMC is not fulfilling its credo or mission. All that needs to be done is ask one question.
To be honest with you, I really wish that you could prove me wrong.
#1 - The SAMC and SAMA associations first need to police their ranks and do it publicly.
#2 - The SAMC - IS NOT - historical, traditional, or custom. (And I am using 'custom' with its proper meaning - long-established practice considered as unwritten law.)
#3 - The membership of the SAMC and SAMA awardees for the most part do not know the history of their organization, nor do most of them live up to the credo or motto. I will list them here for those that do not know or remember them:
a. Serves as a leader of character, competence and commitment; who is an example for subordinates, peers and supervisors alike.
b. Be mature and share the values of their profession and their unit with others.
c. Exercise sound judgment and leadership principles.
d. Display examples of professional Army ethics.
e. Strengthen and develop the Seven Army Values in Soldiers.
f. Display the Warrior Ethos.
g. Display exemplary physical fitness and marksmanship skills.
h. No adverse action within 24-months of the initial boarding process. (IOW - Be of 'sound character')
"Lead From The Front!"
By the way the Sergeant Morales Club was founded in 1973 and the Sergeant Audie Murphy Club was founded in 1986.
Bottom line and executive summary - "Know and take care of your soldiers".
I will only give one example of why the SAMC is a failure - CSM Angelia Flournoy.
I will even do you one better - you pick any unit that has a member of the SAMC and we conduct an u-announced on the spot inspection of the NCOs and I can prove that the SAMC is not fulfilling its credo or mission. All that needs to be done is ask one question.
To be honest with you, I really wish that you could prove me wrong.
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1SG (Join to see)
SSG Webster, I appreciate this comment. See FORSCOM Regulation 600-80, TRADOC Regulation 600-14. It is part of "us." I do agree...some members are not up to par. But, YOU, as a member of the United States Army, ask YOUR Soldiers directly why they joined. I almost guarantee, you will be disappointed. (If not, you have yourself a "Dream Team," I had that in Fort Drum, NY...it was awesome!) BLUF, Do not use an individual to describe the whole. However, you are right... when ask "why Army" most Soldiers would say college, or something else. Now ask "why Audie Murphie?" The answer would very well may be a fabrication or recitation. It is sad. But, I can speak for myself, I joined because this country gave me and my family a lot and I am willing to give my life for this country. I do not see the same passion from a lot of folks in my profession. I've talked to Vietnam Vets, I had a Platoon Leader who was a two Purple Heart recipient during that era. (The appreciation in Soldiers was different then). A lot of them did it for a different reason. My patriotic father who flew the B17 during WW2 in Germany, he did it for a specific reason.
For your last comment about challenging me to pick one unit...well...here is my challenge...can YOU provide that unit? If not, why are YOU not able to? We all function differently. The Army has been around for nearly 250 years and we still conduct After Action Review. Not everyone is "up to par." But, I challenge you to inspect ME....I AM a member of the SAMC, conduct your unannounced on-the-spot inspection....I AM always ready. You know the question, "are you ready to fight tonight?" I am willing to give my life for YOU right now! SGT Audie Murphy was just another US citizen. He was an actor, a music writer, and a poet. He was also an advocate to advertise the ARMY and PTSD (ie. "shell shock"). However, when faced with adversity during war, he rose to that challenge. I had brothers and sister at arms who did the same. Inspect me, I AM ready! If you are unsure or skeptical of this statement...I've been married to my wife for 23 years, she knows me better than my mother...ask my wife what I would do for you. My wife knows, if in a firefight or danger...I will give my life for you, SSG Webster...I am ready to do that. My wife is ready for that as well. Again, thanks for your comment. Some of it was accurate. Have hope, you seem to be a very promising Noncommissioned Officer, "YOU Lead From The Front!"
FYI, I am also a Cavalry Trooper...I wear a Stetson and spurs...that has only been three decades since we have traditionally worn the very hats that our predecessors wore in the 1800's.
For your last comment about challenging me to pick one unit...well...here is my challenge...can YOU provide that unit? If not, why are YOU not able to? We all function differently. The Army has been around for nearly 250 years and we still conduct After Action Review. Not everyone is "up to par." But, I challenge you to inspect ME....I AM a member of the SAMC, conduct your unannounced on-the-spot inspection....I AM always ready. You know the question, "are you ready to fight tonight?" I am willing to give my life for YOU right now! SGT Audie Murphy was just another US citizen. He was an actor, a music writer, and a poet. He was also an advocate to advertise the ARMY and PTSD (ie. "shell shock"). However, when faced with adversity during war, he rose to that challenge. I had brothers and sister at arms who did the same. Inspect me, I AM ready! If you are unsure or skeptical of this statement...I've been married to my wife for 23 years, she knows me better than my mother...ask my wife what I would do for you. My wife knows, if in a firefight or danger...I will give my life for you, SSG Webster...I am ready to do that. My wife is ready for that as well. Again, thanks for your comment. Some of it was accurate. Have hope, you seem to be a very promising Noncommissioned Officer, "YOU Lead From The Front!"
FYI, I am also a Cavalry Trooper...I wear a Stetson and spurs...that has only been three decades since we have traditionally worn the very hats that our predecessors wore in the 1800's.
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The nco needs to just go for it. It is not how well he will do, but how he handles himself in that situation.
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I see no reason for the nco to attend the board, especially when he has been given no time to study for it. However, if your chain of command is relentless about it then it is on them not the nco.
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