Posted on Feb 20, 2018
Can a unit prevent a 25B soldier in the primary promotion zone from attending the board if they have not obtained Sec+?
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25B: Information Technology Specialist
Promotion BoardAdvanced Individual Training (AIT) - 25B 25B: Information Technology Specialist
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Sec+ is not a promotion requirement. They can however say most anything else to keep you from going forward. So while technically no the answer is yes.
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SGM Erik Marquez
That statement agrees with what I have posted all along., May I ask, why did you down vote me then?
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I was promotable when I got out in 2012. From what I remember, the Sec+ certification was not a requirement. If so, then I would have been the only 25B in the battalion that could have gone to the board.
That said, look at points. I went to a 40 hour "boot camp" course prepairing for the certification. I was given a certificate of training signed by an O6. So the class gave me 40 hours of Military education. Then the certification itself gave me 10 semester hours of civilian education. It's all promotion points, so get em if you can. Also looks good on the NCOER, especially when those above you don't have it.
That said, look at points. I went to a 40 hour "boot camp" course prepairing for the certification. I was given a certificate of training signed by an O6. So the class gave me 40 hours of Military education. Then the certification itself gave me 10 semester hours of civilian education. It's all promotion points, so get em if you can. Also looks good on the NCOER, especially when those above you don't have it.
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Suspended Profile
That is a negative, I was in the same shoes. Although it is a great thing to have per Advance Leader Ship School House requirements , you do not have to have it the Reg does not states that it is a mandatory requirement. I do recommend getting it anyways, it will set you apart from your peers.
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I highly doubt it , considering I met plenty of promotable specialists and sergeants who had not obtained Security +. As long as you meet the requirements as per AR 600-8-19 (which say nothing about having certifications in order to attend a board), I do not see why they shouldn't allow you to attend a board, especially with the new policy.
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Suspended Profile
No it is not required, the army is trying to push it as a requirement for attending ALC . But the only requirment for promotion is ALC and SSD2. I got Sec + after I went to ALC
As of today YES, as of March still YES, but it will take the BN CDR from that point on.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
SGM Erik Marquez - I comprehend quite well thanks.
The distinction between a specific regulatory requirement for technical certification for MOS 25B and a Commanders unit-specific "opine" as you stated was my intent with all of that. I asked your citation of a regulation because I wanted you to acknowledge my point.
It's important in questions like this because it keeps coming up over the years.
Can you be denied promotion board appearance due to lack of technical certification? ---> NO
Can you be denied promotion board appearance due to lack of technical proficiency inside of a unit because that commander determines you are not technically proficient? ---> YES
25B's are not required to have SEC+ to be MOS qualified.
And with that I thank you for your responses SGM.
The distinction between a specific regulatory requirement for technical certification for MOS 25B and a Commanders unit-specific "opine" as you stated was my intent with all of that. I asked your citation of a regulation because I wanted you to acknowledge my point.
It's important in questions like this because it keeps coming up over the years.
Can you be denied promotion board appearance due to lack of technical certification? ---> NO
Can you be denied promotion board appearance due to lack of technical proficiency inside of a unit because that commander determines you are not technically proficient? ---> YES
25B's are not required to have SEC+ to be MOS qualified.
And with that I thank you for your responses SGM.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG(P) (Join to see) -Your point is not valid, so I will not acknowledge it.
SM have been denied board appearances for copious reasons, why? Because the commander decided they were not ready...And the commanders reasoning??? Any damn thing they want it to be until a senior person told them otherwise.. NO regulation forbids that commanders decision.. You’re asking for cite of No regulation...lol . OK, I cite every AR and FM in the inventory, because the regulation that forbids a commander from making an arbitrary decision on board appearances does not exist…Or did not until recently.. As of May this year, that ability for a commander to make an arbitrary decision to refuse a board appearance goes away... That SGT is what you do not comprehend.
Best of luck to you, you have served what 8 years, been a SGT since 2017?... I'm sure it feels like you know everything...but after 28 years I accept I did not and learned I can learn from anyone .. you might give that a shot....
SM have been denied board appearances for copious reasons, why? Because the commander decided they were not ready...And the commanders reasoning??? Any damn thing they want it to be until a senior person told them otherwise.. NO regulation forbids that commanders decision.. You’re asking for cite of No regulation...lol . OK, I cite every AR and FM in the inventory, because the regulation that forbids a commander from making an arbitrary decision on board appearances does not exist…Or did not until recently.. As of May this year, that ability for a commander to make an arbitrary decision to refuse a board appearance goes away... That SGT is what you do not comprehend.
Best of luck to you, you have served what 8 years, been a SGT since 2017?... I'm sure it feels like you know everything...but after 28 years I accept I did not and learned I can learn from anyone .. you might give that a shot....
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG(P) (Join to see) - Lets try this SGT.... Can you cite the AR passage that has a definitive list of the commander justifications for denying a SM going to the promotion board?
I'm open to learning something new, but in a lot of years I've never seen such a definitive closed ended list. And the way I read the reg now, it states its a commanders decision .....
I'm open to learning something new, but in a lot of years I've never seen such a definitive closed ended list. And the way I read the reg now, it states its a commanders decision .....
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I'm going to go on a limb here and say no. Although it is an essential certification to do your job in most units these days.
Also this is coming in May of 2018
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/12/14/new-army-rule-automatically-sends-qualified-specialists-sergeants-to-promotion-boards/
Also this is coming in May of 2018
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/12/14/new-army-rule-automatically-sends-qualified-specialists-sergeants-to-promotion-boards/
New Army rule automatically sends qualified specialists, sergeants to promotion boards
If you’re an E-4 or E-5 looking to move up in the world, you’re at the mercy of your command for a recommendation to go to a promotion board. And sometimes, despite meeting every qualification, soldiers aren’t promoted because they haven’t caught leadership’s attention.
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In this case though, Security + is a unit specific requirement depending on your position. It is not a MOS requirement as a 25B to my knowledge. Most units do want their 25B's to have a management or baseline certification in order to obtain administrator privileges.
Should you have it...yes
Does it look better for promotion...yes
Is it mandatory...no
Should you have it...yes
Does it look better for promotion...yes
Is it mandatory...no
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CW2 (Join to see)
This is a technical certification and has nothing to do with a clearance. To my knowledge you cannot hold something against a soldier that is a unit specific requirement. This is like a SM being in a unit that holds you to higher PT standard than the rest of the Army and denying you the right to attend the board because you cannot meet it.
If the SM cannot meet those prescribed standards then you release them from the unit and get them assigned somewhere else. (assuming they have been provided the opportunities to meet that standard)
If the SM cannot meet those prescribed standards then you release them from the unit and get them assigned somewhere else. (assuming they have been provided the opportunities to meet that standard)
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If SEC+ is required for the MOS at NCO level- then you have not qualified for the MOS, therefore are not qualified for promotion in that MOS
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
SGM, There is no regulatory requirement for SEC+ certification for 25B's of any grade.
Arguing that they are not developed enough for promotion due to lack of certification is a valid train of thought. That must be captured in their evaluations of course.
Arguing that they are not developed enough for promotion due to lack of certification is a valid train of thought. That must be captured in their evaluations of course.
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What job can you do as a bravo without your Sec+ realistically? Especially as an NCO.
And what about others boarding? They dont have it?
Take a couple weeks, study, get it.
And what about others boarding? They dont have it?
Take a couple weeks, study, get it.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Answer: You can do anything except have privileged access on a government information system.
Second answer: If they don't have a technical certification then they are denying themselves promotion points when competing against others in their MOS.
Second answer: If they don't have a technical certification then they are denying themselves promotion points when competing against others in their MOS.
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As a 25B20 you are required to have certifications in order to become an Sys Admin in any system. If you can’t do your job, why should you be recommended to a board for promotion? One way to fix this. The test is even free with a voucher. Take the certification. I do understand that some just aren’t ready to test for this. As long as you are not in a supervisory position, you could take the two A+ certs.
AR 25-2 is a great tool. It lists tons of other regs also. I suggest you use the reg to your advantage. Don’t let it beat you down. Good luck!
AR 25-2 is a great tool. It lists tons of other regs also. I suggest you use the reg to your advantage. Don’t let it beat you down. Good luck!
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Clarification: AR 25-2 specifies that a Technical Certification is required for privileged access. It does not mandate certification for specific MOS's(your verbiage suggested this). There is no specific MOS whose "job" it is to be a system administrator(anyone meeting AR 25-2 requirements can do it). Realistically speaking any signaleer with a certification is setting themselves apart from their peers(10 promotion points per cert if it applies to their MOS). But that is simply NOT the basis for promotion recommendation in and of itself.
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