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Fellow leaders, quick question!
An incident happened where a soldier was counceled by an NCO whom wasn’t his Squad leader, did he deserve the counseling? Yes.
But can that NCO overstep his Squad leader and give the counseling, or does that NCO speak with his squad leader/fellow NCO and the squad leader counsel him? I’ve looked in FM 6-22 App. B and I didn’t see anything in there. So I’m assuming that there isn’t an issue with it. But you know what they say about assuming.
Thank you.
An incident happened where a soldier was counceled by an NCO whom wasn’t his Squad leader, did he deserve the counseling? Yes.
But can that NCO overstep his Squad leader and give the counseling, or does that NCO speak with his squad leader/fellow NCO and the squad leader counsel him? I’ve looked in FM 6-22 App. B and I didn’t see anything in there. So I’m assuming that there isn’t an issue with it. But you know what they say about assuming.
Thank you.
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Posted 6 y ago
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Here is how I see it. If the Squad Leader was not present at the time, and the counseling needed to happen stat, I would do the counseling. But, I would also turn around and locate the Squad Leader and present them with the case at hand and a copy of the counseling form. To me, this would fall under General Military Authority.
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So if there isn’t a copy provided to the squad leader it’s just another counseling in the pocket SSG?
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SGT (Join to see) - That would make for an interesting and somewhat difficult situation. Especially if the NCO doing the counseling is not in the same unit as the counseled Soldier. If they are, then it would not/should not be too difficult to get a copy to the Squad Leader. Now, if they are not, but the information of the Soldier was retrieved (as you have the full name and rank of the Soldier), then it won't be too difficult to locate the Soldier on AKO and/or Global to find the unit and track down the Squad Leader. But, if said NCO and Soldier are not in the same unit, the NCO does not track down the Squad Leader, and the Soldier does not inform their Squad Leader of the counseling, then all that work was for naught and it basically becomes lost in the sauce.
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though it is usually common curtesy to take the issue to the Troops squad leader, there is no requirement that an NCO do that - is it bad form - absolutely. Is it illegal or wrong - not according to regulations.
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Thank you SSG, I figured there wasn’t anything against it but I wanted to double check.
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The whole concept of not counseling another Soldier because they "belong" to someone else is ludicrous. Do it respectfully/tactfully and yes if you know their immediate supervisor (team, squad, platoon leader) inform them. But not correcting/counseling Soldiers when you see something wrong leads to this whole concept of Soldiers saying "I don't work for you, you're not my boss, you're not my supervisor, I don't have to listen to you". It is rampant now-days. I even see NCOs getting mad for other NCOs talking to their Soldiers. And that is how we got to the point where NCOs don't even make simple on the spot correction, nonetheless counseling to teach Soldiers valuable lessons.
I'll leave you with this article as a closing remark. https://www.army.mil/article/129006/on_the_spot_corrections_its_our_duty
I'll leave you with this article as a closing remark. https://www.army.mil/article/129006/on_the_spot_corrections_its_our_duty
On-the-spot corrections, it's our duty
One day on my way into the Fort Leonard Wood Post Office I ran into a sergeant in the Army Combat Uniform wearing earrings. With out hesitation I proceeded to make an on-the-spot correction; the response I received from the sergeant was that she did ...
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