Posted on Aug 8, 2015
Can anyone explain why 17C - Cyber Operations Specialist - is listed as 'combat arms?'
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17C: Cyber Operations Specialist
Cyber
Combat Arms
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As long as we get to work together and come back home in one piece when in harms way I'm ok with whatever term they want to go by as long as my Rally Point page is up and running without interruptions.
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It is defined as cyber warfare and seems to be one of the perks for being in that mos.
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Need I remind you of a little documentary called "Live Free Die Hard"...nuff said.
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ok kids .. hop aboard the Way-Back Machine.
For those that think that working on computers might NOT be a combat arm.
For those that think that working on computers might NOT be a combat arm.
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Sorry for the late turn around on getting back to this,
The basis for my question comes from the application packet cover letter, which reads:
e. The 17C Cyber Operations Specialist is a Combat Arms MOS. For NCO’s ensure you discuss your experience or understanding of the operational process.
My personal thoughts?
I agree with some of the views here that being part of combat, especially in today's hyper-digital world, doesn't necessarily mean I need to be in front of another person with a gun. Why waste my life when I can hack into a nuclear reactor and cause it to have a core meltdown? [exaggerated, of course, but you get my point.]
I'm on the cusp of submitting a packet for this MOS and wanted some clarification on what they were talking about - because - like many of you, this didn't make sense to me. But some of your awesome replies have helped me rethink what is being said in the packet.
The basis for my question comes from the application packet cover letter, which reads:
e. The 17C Cyber Operations Specialist is a Combat Arms MOS. For NCO’s ensure you discuss your experience or understanding of the operational process.
My personal thoughts?
I agree with some of the views here that being part of combat, especially in today's hyper-digital world, doesn't necessarily mean I need to be in front of another person with a gun. Why waste my life when I can hack into a nuclear reactor and cause it to have a core meltdown? [exaggerated, of course, but you get my point.]
I'm on the cusp of submitting a packet for this MOS and wanted some clarification on what they were talking about - because - like many of you, this didn't make sense to me. But some of your awesome replies have helped me rethink what is being said in the packet.
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It shouldn't be. It is or appears to be an MI type branch and probably falls under Intelligence & Combat Support. That is where one of the feeder MOSs for this one is (that MOS is 35Q).
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SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired)
SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired) - correction: the CYBER Command CSM, not the ARCYBER CSM .. it's early .. no coffee yet ;-)
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired) - Driving a wedge - you have got to be kidding. Just because I do not have certain certifications, or that my primary MOS is 11B does not mean that I do not know what I am talking about. I have been doing cyber, since before it became a normally accepted term. If you had checked my profile, you would have noted that I have been doing the duties of a 25U, since before it was an MOS. Though it is not in my profile, I took my first Army computer systems course in 1978.
And since you appear to be so knowledgeable about cyber warfare and computer system "Jack of All Trades", answer this question:
From 1982, when the TACCS system was introduced, what were the three primary reasons that the systems were not networked on a regular and daily basis?
~ the more things change, the more they stay the same
And since you appear to be so knowledgeable about cyber warfare and computer system "Jack of All Trades", answer this question:
From 1982, when the TACCS system was introduced, what were the three primary reasons that the systems were not networked on a regular and daily basis?
~ the more things change, the more they stay the same
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SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired)
Respectfully, and this is the last time .. I don't care who you are, or what you did, the CSM of Cyber Command put out these comments, so take it up with him. Dude Really?
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired) - Really? You do know that respect is a two way street. And on top of that you never did answer SFC (Join to see)'s original question, and since you are one and went to a meeting with the Cyber Command CSM, you should be able to answer the question that he posed. And since your areas are supposed to be offensive and defensive cyber warfare operations, what is the problem with the question that I posed? That should have been an easy answer for you since the answer is actually the basis for defensive cyber operations.
What is interesting is that the field or CMF is an expansion of both Intelligence and Signal Branches, why should there be that much discord as you are stating and why would you point me personally out in your statement "people just like you" when you do not even know me, and I have put out my qualifications and experience. And you have the gall to try and call out someone that has been in this field or a related field for 37 years.
What is interesting is that the field or CMF is an expansion of both Intelligence and Signal Branches, why should there be that much discord as you are stating and why would you point me personally out in your statement "people just like you" when you do not even know me, and I have put out my qualifications and experience. And you have the gall to try and call out someone that has been in this field or a related field for 37 years.
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