Posted on Jul 5, 2023
Can I choose to get my own food during field training?
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This question is mostly for my knowledge, but as an AGR Soldier, I have to pay for rations whether at Battle Assembly or in the field, if I want Army provided food. With that said, while at Annual Training (ECT), it costs $15 per day, which equates to $210 deducted from my basic allowance for subsistence (BAS). If I don't want Army provided food, can I get my own food, or is it mandatory during field duty? I ask because $210 off my BAS is a lot of money for me with multiple dependents, and frankly, the Army's field rations aren't worth that amount. Additionally, if the Army is ordering me to mandatory field duty, I don't think Soldiers should be charged for food if the Army is forcing them to go. Any thoughts and/or guidance is appreciated. Thank you.
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If the government meals are provided, then Soldiers are charged for them regardless if they are consumed or not*. Commanders are required to submit a list of assigned personnel that the meals were made available to finance for a payroll deduction for field rations (meal cards are not affected of course).
There are a few exceptions ("$15/day is a lot" is not one of them), but this is the general rule.
IF the situation is setup as a cash collection because installation messing is available (instead of field rations), then obviously it will be your call if you want to go through the chow line or not.
While often treated that way, BAS is not a bonus pay given to Servicemembers during the month. BAS is authorized as a calculated subsistence allowance for Servicemembers (just them, not their families). If the government provides meals, then those meals are deducted from the BAS, regardless of the operating conditions of the mission.
So yes, even if the Army forces you to go to the field, if the government gives you an MRE, field rations or those shelf-stable meals (or some other type is provided to you), the deduction will occur.
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* DoD 7000.14-R, Vol 7A, Chap 25,
para 2.4.3.1 - https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07a/07a_25.pdf
* 37 U.S. Code § 402 - https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title37-section402&num=0&edition=prelim
There are a few exceptions ("$15/day is a lot" is not one of them), but this is the general rule.
IF the situation is setup as a cash collection because installation messing is available (instead of field rations), then obviously it will be your call if you want to go through the chow line or not.
While often treated that way, BAS is not a bonus pay given to Servicemembers during the month. BAS is authorized as a calculated subsistence allowance for Servicemembers (just them, not their families). If the government provides meals, then those meals are deducted from the BAS, regardless of the operating conditions of the mission.
So yes, even if the Army forces you to go to the field, if the government gives you an MRE, field rations or those shelf-stable meals (or some other type is provided to you), the deduction will occur.
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* DoD 7000.14-R, Vol 7A, Chap 25,
para 2.4.3.1 - https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07a/07a_25.pdf
* 37 U.S. Code § 402 - https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title37-section402&num=0&edition=prelim
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
I remember the use of x number of meals sent to the field. No names attached and kept headcount where it should be. When I was a mess officer, because Mess Sgt told me if headcount was way off from draw, there could be problems.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - FYI, at $15 a day, you are getting a deal, at least on the price.
The gub'mint has to pay about $7.25 a piece for MREs, and probably a little more than $5 a head for mermited chow.
But like the man said, if they are running it via cash collection, skip the line and bring a sack lunch, save a few bucks.
The gub'mint has to pay about $7.25 a piece for MREs, and probably a little more than $5 a head for mermited chow.
But like the man said, if they are running it via cash collection, skip the line and bring a sack lunch, save a few bucks.
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As you know BAS has nothing to do with dependants. If you are orovided meals, regardless of the type you must pay. Having said that, are they taking the BAS out automatically, or are you signing at each meal issue? If it is automatic then you cannot have them stop. If you sign each time then you may be able to get away with not eating meals available.
Having said that, any 1SG or more junior leader will likely get involved if it appears as if you are not accepting the rations.
The reason they would be interested is based on your health and welfare. I am not sure what type of pogi bait meats the nutrition and calories provided by Army meals. No one restricts pogi bate, but they may order you to pay and recieve in order to guarantee your good health.
Bottom line is, if it is auto you must pay. If it is a sign as you go, you may get away with it, unless a leader shows an interest and I would say they should.
Having said that, any 1SG or more junior leader will likely get involved if it appears as if you are not accepting the rations.
The reason they would be interested is based on your health and welfare. I am not sure what type of pogi bait meats the nutrition and calories provided by Army meals. No one restricts pogi bate, but they may order you to pay and recieve in order to guarantee your good health.
Bottom line is, if it is auto you must pay. If it is a sign as you go, you may get away with it, unless a leader shows an interest and I would say they should.
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Nope! There's no option to choose the kind of food you get, outside of dietary restrictions and religious needs.
I would argue that $15 a day is a great deal! Now a days, $15 is one meal on the streets. I also think that since I have been in (15 years now) MREs have come a long way. They're damn delicious compared to when we first started putting boots down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember the omelette?
Also, I would point out that comparatively, the U.S. military does a good job of feeding it's troops. We provide safe, nutritious, and relatively decent food consistently and at little cost to the Soldier, while also not focusing on the "creature-comforts" too much but keeping our business to war-fighting. Exceptions abound, but I believe it's overall proven. I was a cook for a few years, also worked in a field feeding company (FFC) recently.
Hunt the good stuff. Life in the U.S.. military has a lot of comfort that other militaries don't, while also being lethal and capable.
I would argue that $15 a day is a great deal! Now a days, $15 is one meal on the streets. I also think that since I have been in (15 years now) MREs have come a long way. They're damn delicious compared to when we first started putting boots down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember the omelette?
Also, I would point out that comparatively, the U.S. military does a good job of feeding it's troops. We provide safe, nutritious, and relatively decent food consistently and at little cost to the Soldier, while also not focusing on the "creature-comforts" too much but keeping our business to war-fighting. Exceptions abound, but I believe it's overall proven. I was a cook for a few years, also worked in a field feeding company (FFC) recently.
Hunt the good stuff. Life in the U.S.. military has a lot of comfort that other militaries don't, while also being lethal and capable.
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