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I passed the board recently and now im being told i may have to be a CPL until i go to BLC or until i get back from ranger school. I dont want to take responsibility as a team leader and still get paid as a SPC. Can i deny a 4187 ?
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You can, but why in the hell would you want to? Becoming a good NCO takes time and practice. I wish like hell I’d had the opportunity to become a Corporal, but that was not to be so. The best practice is to take those Corporal stripes and do the job. On a side note, if you think the job is about money, you are in the wrong profession. If you refuse the stripes, you can hang up making Sergeant for a long time. Plus, if I was your CSM, I probably would cancel all of your school dates.
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I don't understand why you would pass up the extra responsibility. That is the way that you end up getting promoted before your peers. That's also the way that the military, and many corporations, work. First you do the job, then you get the promotion. I can't even imagine what would have happened if I had turned down the O-1 billet offered to me when I was an E-6. I took that and ran with it because I could see the promotion opportunities that this would afford me. But, then, I came from submarines where people step up to take on responsibilities well above their paygrade anytime they possibly can.
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It is an honor to be laterally appointed from a Specialist to a Corporal. There's something about your leadership skills and potential that other NCOs and officers in your unit have noticed about you.
When I was in the Army, promotion points were high, and I spent a year as a corporal at 998 before I was promoted. But I held positions of leadership that were slotted for both E5s and E6s without complaint and did them to the best of my ability because the chain of command believed in me. When the promotion lists came out, and I finally got my sergeant stripes, I am not sure who was more excited - myself or the chain of command! The day my sergeant stripes were pinned on me, my CSM handed me an E6 promotion board study packet he had put together and told me to "start studying."
Do what you want; at times, there are more important things than pay.
When I was in the Army, promotion points were high, and I spent a year as a corporal at 998 before I was promoted. But I held positions of leadership that were slotted for both E5s and E6s without complaint and did them to the best of my ability because the chain of command believed in me. When the promotion lists came out, and I finally got my sergeant stripes, I am not sure who was more excited - myself or the chain of command! The day my sergeant stripes were pinned on me, my CSM handed me an E6 promotion board study packet he had put together and told me to "start studying."
Do what you want; at times, there are more important things than pay.
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3 months after I was promoted to SSG, I was reassigned as the NCOIC of a 25 man detachment. This was an E-7 slot. I replaced an E-7 and was later replaced by an E-7. I never received E-7 pay, but I was given the opportunity to show that I was capable of doing the job at a higher level. It is not uncommon for Commanders for put a soldier in a position of higher authority before promoting them to see if they are up to the task. The opportunity to prove myself resulted in a later assignment, still as a SSG, of greater responsibility and I was awarded the MSM for my efforts.
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To echo a few comments, you will likely be called upon to fill rolls both above AND below your pay grade. To refuse advancement is beyond me. If you are in the military (in any service) for money, I'd take a long hard look at why you are in.
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So this begs the question at hand... What about a SFC that has been frocked to 1SG holding that spot as due to needs of the army and what not... That is a position of pride without pay.
A Corporal in the U.S. Army is an odd duck at best... It shows faith of leadership by leadership so but at the same time it is hard to not get pigeon-holed in a rut if promotion points are high but given the MOS is 11B that is doubtful...
Take the ball and run with it be the standard, be the hero, be the guy that private looks up to and wants to be, most of all do it for yourself to learn the hard lessons now and not down the road.
I look back on my time as a Corporal fondly.
I think it made me a better NCO in the long run.
Charge hard and Charge ahead, lead from the front at all times.
A Corporal in the U.S. Army is an odd duck at best... It shows faith of leadership by leadership so but at the same time it is hard to not get pigeon-holed in a rut if promotion points are high but given the MOS is 11B that is doubtful...
Take the ball and run with it be the standard, be the hero, be the guy that private looks up to and wants to be, most of all do it for yourself to learn the hard lessons now and not down the road.
I look back on my time as a Corporal fondly.
I think it made me a better NCO in the long run.
Charge hard and Charge ahead, lead from the front at all times.
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Promoting you to CPL before your BLC is just giving you a chance to learn on the Job. Now with that said you have the option to decline that "Promotion" However doing so could leave you in a position where your BLC dates may be a long way off due to people that want to move to the next level will be selected first. Turning down CPL could have the appearance of lack of desire to become a leader. JMTC
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I hear you man. If I were still in they would have tried to get me with that CPL "promotion" too.
It was already bad enough that I was required to do everything the NCOs were required to do as a SPC(P) and yet got treated like a PVT when it came to anything else.
The only thing that stopped additional crap piled on us was duties that required an actual NCO.
Corporal is the worst rank in the Army. Change my mind.
It was already bad enough that I was required to do everything the NCOs were required to do as a SPC(P) and yet got treated like a PVT when it came to anything else.
The only thing that stopped additional crap piled on us was duties that required an actual NCO.
Corporal is the worst rank in the Army. Change my mind.
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SFC Jeremy Boyd
In your response to denounce CPL as a good rank, you almost make the point that should change your mind and his, if he faces a similar situation. You mention being treated like a Private while being expected to perform NCO duties as a SPC(P), but that's the beauty of being a CPL. A CPL is an official NCO rank, and no one has to guess whether they are promotable or not as an E-4, because it doesn't matter. In my 20+ year career I NEVER saw a CPL treated like a Private, nor saw them treated as anything other than as an NCO. More often than not they were looked at in equal view to a SGT. I can speak from personal experience that I was too for the six months I was a CPL. Those two chevrons may not provide an extra dime in pay, but they do set a person apart from just another SPC or SPC(P), because at the end of the day even a SPC(P) is still considered junior Enlisted, and a CPL is considered an NCO, regardless of promotable status. Multiple chevrons will always garner more respect IN GENERAL than the SPC rank alone, because like it's always been said, "promotable status isn't rank."
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SFC Jeremy Boyd I get what you are trying to say, but in my 10 years I saw not only CPLs and SPCs treated like this but also SGTs to an extent.
One of the few CPLs I worked with voluntarily gave up his DA CPL rank because of the crap he was dealing with.
So you may think you know what you saw, but sometimes you lose sight of things as you go up the ladder.
One of the few CPLs I worked with voluntarily gave up his DA CPL rank because of the crap he was dealing with.
So you may think you know what you saw, but sometimes you lose sight of things as you go up the ladder.
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