Posted on Mar 16, 2021
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I passed the board recently and now im being told i may have to be a CPL until i go to BLC or until i get back from ranger school. I dont want to take responsibility as a team leader and still get paid as a SPC. Can i deny a 4187 ?
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SSG Martin Fruchtl
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I was an Specialist in a SGT slot in the USAR. I had the MOS and other quals for the E5 but had to wait for the board to roll around to get promoted. The Command made me what used to be called an "acting Jack", an E5 with the stripes but not the pay until the board season rolled around. It was a privilege to be recognized early for the work I was doing. Don't pass up the opportunity to show what you can do. If you perform, your NCOER should reflect it.
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SPC Steven Nihipali
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Yes, yes you can. I agree... don't get all the responsibility and bullshit without getting the money. The marines at least do it right. They'll fuck you first and still give you $20. The Army doesn't even spit before they turn you around.

I had Corporal in Iraq, and they were stupid. Why not just promote? That's the question.Spc can do the same damn job without the rank confusion.
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SSG Tony Basile
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It doesn’t look good and it says that the Soldier isn’t ready to take the responsibility of being a Leader regardless of pay. All E4s in the USMC are NCOs. There are no Specialists.
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PO3 Pamala McBrayer
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I suppose you could…but why would the Army want to keep people who are unwilling to master a skillset, being proficient to lead, but refusing to lead? Professional development is a ladder. If you are unable or unwilling to climb, retention becomes an issue. The same is true for GS government workers. There us a built in expectation of training, advancement, leading, training, advancement, leading others. It is a necessary policy to ensure the stability of the organization and mission readiness. Slack not or find the exit.
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SGT Jerry Palmer
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Huh, hell no. An u wanna be a ranger? How about you adapt and overcome and deal with it. Unless you just don’t wanna lead, then u have no business trying to go to ranger school with some BS like that. Embrace The Suck!
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SFC Howard Holmes
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Hmmmm, and with that attitude you are going to try and be a Ranger? You must play the game really well, or there are quotas, because I believe you have not a single idea of what being a Ranger is about. I recommend you turn down the Ranger School. You do realize that the one army value is SELFLESSNESS and NOT Selfishness don't you?
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WTF OVER! Who turns down a promotion?
A1C Diane Phillips
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Completely agree if you are in it for the money you don't belong being a supervisor over anybody!
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MSgt Robert E. M.
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Who better to know than you! It's not about the money. Thanks my brother, you have shown good leadership and you are a great ranger.
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CPL Sheila Lewis
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I wasn't offered that at all!
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