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I almost have my USPA A License, and am not Airborne Qualified, can I let that waived since I already have Free Fall experience?
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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No

Not just no, but no.

Army schools are not about what you want to do, they are about what the Army needs. There is no need for a MFF qualified 25U. In addition, MFF is a USASOC school meaning you cannot attend unless you are in a USASOC. USASOC owns the course which means they make the rules for it.

If you enjoy civilian skydiving you can try out for the Golden Knights once you have enough jumps. However, you still will not go to MFF unless you are in a USASOC assignment and an MFF qualified position. You will never be in an MFF position if you are not Airborne qualified
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CSM Michael Chavaree
CSM Michael Chavaree
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Nailed it
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SSG Brian G.
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You have civilian free fall experience. Not even close to the same thing as MFF. Not even close.
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CSM Michael Chavaree
CSM Michael Chavaree
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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You almost have you A? You don't have free fall experience and with an A, you are barely safe enough to get out of your own way. Golden Knights will not even look at you until you have your C.

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Can I get the Airborne requirements waived to attend the MFF Course?
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No. If you want MFF - drop a CMF 18 packet, call the Golden Knights or Black Daggers.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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He is a long ways from the Knights even opening an email from him.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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If you are referring the MFFS at Yuma, AZ....you are going to need a waiver if you are not static line qualified. Per their website:

"Prerequisites:
Must be a qualified static line parachutist. Possess a current Flying Class III physical. Any variations from the above standards require a waiver from the Commanding General, U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, Fort Bragg, NC. 28310

Waiver Authority
Any variation from the above standards requires a waiver from the 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Warfare Training Group (Airborne) Commander, U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, Fort Bragg, NC 28310. This waiver must be obtained prior to arrival and presented to the MFFJM Cadre on the report date, no exceptions.Soldiers/airmen requesting waivers for disqualifying conditions will submit their physical examinations along with memorandum requesting the waiver (no later than 30 days prior to the class start date) through the USASOC Medical Training Division for delivery to USAJFKSWCS (where waivers are considered)

a. Army Active Component or Reserve Component Special Operations Forces Commissioned Officers, Warrant Officers or enlisted personnel, assigned to or on orders for assignment to a Military Free Fall coded position.
b. Other Commissioned Officers, Warrant Officers, or enlisted personnel of the Active or Reserve Components, selected DoD civilian
personnel or allied personnel must be assigned to or on orders for assignment to a MFF coded position
c. Must be a qualified military static line parachutist.
d. Must have a current Class III flight physical examination as previously stated.
e. Personnel cannot exceed 240 pounds.
f. Any variations from the above standards require a waiver from the Commanding General, U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, Fort Bragg, NC 28310."

https://afspecialwarfare.com/military-freefall-school/
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CSM Michael Chavaree
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Sometimes I wish the Army would get rid of badges to eliminate the people chasing bling without wanting to do the actual work.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Almost like in "almost pregnant?" Not NO but Hell NO. Exiting carrying 150lb gear is NOT jumping in a wind suit.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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You know how civilians jump out of planes, but not how the Army does it. I am not currently, nor have I ever jumped out of a plane. So I cannot say for sure, and I have no direct knowledge. But I know that as a civilian I walked differently, talked differently, drove differently, stood differently, hell, I even did pushups (which one would assume is a rather universal exercise) differently. I have to believe that civilians jump from planes differently. Maybe not much, but enough. And given the scenario, I also have to believe that those differences can literally result in death.
I would HIGHLY recommend NOT trying for that waiver, even if it is theoretically possible.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
SSG Roger Ayscue
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As a Static Line Jumpmaster...You are spot on. Airborne is it's own world
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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Army Airborne is more about PT and being surrounded. Civilian skydiving is all about jumping and much greater knowledge about systems and flying a canopy.
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MFF s are hard to come by. All the services send their soldiers to the one, same school in Arizona, so there has to be a need for it, and they actually have a published list of the soldiers and their respective jobs/MOS that have priority. All tabbed guys don't even have or necessarily get to go to MFF. SFC Boyd is correct, and this is not the only school with those kind of entry restrictions. SERE-C is similar. You don't get to go unless you have a need to go.
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