Posted on Feb 19, 2016
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If I go from army guard to active duty and I'm scheduled for WLC in July but don't attend before I have to report, can they take my E5 rank? I was promoted before the new STEP system.
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PO1 Pete McElroy
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It does for everyone, it even happened to me. But I was so new it didn’t really affect me all that much. I went from E2, Active reserve to E1 on active duty plus I had to give up the rate I had in the reserves and cross rate five months after I just completed the first ‘A’ School. I was back there so fast they thought I was there for a C school. I had to pay back a $2000 SRB, and my time and rate went back to zero. But it all worked out until I retired. Not one person in 20 years ever told me oh by the way remember the five Vance you did on active duty in the reservist for your training that time counted. So the one year you’re supposed to get to prepare for retirement I got five months, not including having to burn 45 days of leave (I had no choice, I had to sell back 60 days off my first enlistment)
But I’m not even the worst case, there was a massive cheese I knew out in Coronado, CUCM Whitney, who retired with 49 yrs! This guy, made it all the way to East seven during Vietnam got out in the 70s try to get back on active duty in the 70s when I tried to return they told me never served. In Vietnam he did work for Christians in action, and apparently they destroyed his entire service record. He had one piece of paper that that proves he had served, off that one piece of paper they re-establish the service record but gave him the rank of…E-1! They allowed him to do all of the coursework (this was the Navy) from E-1 thru E-6 waived the time in rate, but he had to retest for Chief (E-7 for the initiatied) and go through transition (aka initiation) AGAIN! When I met him in ‘93 he was a BUC when I saw him again in ‘08 just before his retirement he was E-9. He could have easily been an LDO or Warrant, but it was more important for him to stay in San Diego. He had 2 4” Binder’s full of “I love me Stuff” truly a remarkable man.
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I’m not sure if it was stated already, but all your guard time hardly computes to active duty. So, if you hardly had any active duty time and you get kicked down your time starts to where they computed your active time ended. So, if you did 3 months of active service in the guard that’s all that transfers for promotion and you start over from there and you won’t get promoted back to 5 until you hit the minimums and at the units discretion until forced by regulated maximums per rank.
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MSG Platoon Sergeant
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Count on it
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SN Peter Stella
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Never hear of this happening in the Navy or Marines anyone? never understood it i think its a Airforce Army thing.
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CPT Jim Lee
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This is just one of the reasons I tell youngsters NOT join the Army... more than willing to screw their own people.... I had a Provost Marshall... a Major who showed up, 18 mos. before his retirement, as an E-6...retired as a Major with same pay... but screwed him for 18 mos. not to mention all our combat experienced pilots that goT RIF’d... I know I’m old but wrong is wrong. How many enlisted people got sent to jail... while the Officers walked? I lost respect for the Officer Corp. in the 80’s... history has only proved my case..
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CSM Ralph Hernandez
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Yes, they can reduce you 1 rank! But if you haven't been in any trouble you can make it back pretty fast.
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SSG Robert Brown
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Yes. Back to last active duty rank. That was a few yrs ago I did it
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SGT Aviation Operations Specialist
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Coming from a recruiter, when you enlist at MEPS a grade determination is sent up to USAREC. Usually it's not a big deal, but lack of NCOERs can sometimes be an issue. If you can justify the reasons why you were unable (or your unit was unable to schedule you) to attend, you should be G2G.
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That was supposed to say NCOES, not NCOERs (stupid autocorrect)
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LTC Executive Officer
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Are you scheduled to report for active duty before your WLC class? If not, I strongly recommend that you attend the class. Having your NCOES completed will help you keep the rank, or qualify you for promotion once you meet the time in grade and time in service requirements if you do get administratively reduced. Your recruiter will be able to tell you what rank you'll be coming in with.
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SFC Vic Barrera
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Is all determine by HRC
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