Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Of all the great advice given in response to the question this is some of the best 1SG (Join to see) "Once again, going there and explaining the situation will get you far."
As well as.. stop talking to us, and start talking to ADLAW on a military installation.. If they are going to charge you and offer NJP, they should tell you to seek legal advice ..
If on Active duty you go see legal on post.. Im not sure if that is an option for a NG or reservist .. I would hope so ..but I don't know...
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ARNG, and USAR soldiers absolutely have access to JAG and IG.
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1SG Joseph Yorski, MHS
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MSG (Join to see) - That's not true. Every state has an IG office as well as JAG, as far as the Guard goes. They're just a phone call away, but in this case, she shouldn't need it as there's no UCMJ or warrant. Like the SGM said, keeping your unit in the loop on any personal issues you're having goes a long way.
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I'm confused on your disagreement MSG. You state that I'm not correct, while affirming my statementor that all ARNG and USAR soldiers have access to JAG and IG. Make sure when you leafirst off with "that's not true" it's really "not true"!
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1SG Joseph Yorski, MHS
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MSG (Join to see) - Hey, that's on me. I misread your post apparently. I thought you wrote they had NO access. Mea culpa.
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SN Greg Wright
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers There's plenty of info here about how to move forward. You asked about knowing if there's a warrant for you, though. There's a couple of things you can do. Call a lawyer, explain your situation, and ask them to find out for you. Most will do this free because if you wind up needing one, they want to be the one you hire. Alternatively, you can simply call the local police.

I'm sorry for your loss. Good luck.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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I'm no lawyer and have no real idea about NG business - HOWEVER, if I thought there was a chance that I was going to be arrested two states away from my home, I would steer clear of that area until the issue is resolved. First thing I'd do is get a lawyer and get some sound legal advice on how to come back into compliance without being arrested.

(For the record, my original thought was to go to the Drill and face the music - and that the threat of being arrested there was just a threat - SGM Billy Herrington 's story about jail birds changed my mind on that one. I wouldn't risk being arrested away from any outside support.)
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Hey sorry but there's a process to get out of the arm. You knew that, theres no freaking way you didn't..your on your own here and I'm sorry to say you knew what you were doing and were going to use this miscarriage to get out..
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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I never once said I was using the miscarriage to get out. I wanted out because the unit was shitty in the first place, and it just so happens that I had a miscarriage. I didn’t fight the “discharge” because of before mentioned “hated the unit”.

However, things have been resolved. I did an IST, and currently on track of ETS-omg in February. The unit I am in now I will miss, but I’m tired.
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I am very sorry you had a miscarriage. Now that being said, one of my many talents is detecting lies...you are lying. Your story does not make sense. I would advise contacting JAG and asking for representation because it sounds like you are fixing to be cross trained into making little rocks out of big ones...as you deserve. Ignorance is never an excuse...
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Which part do you believe I was lying?
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Sgt Justin Vickers
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers - " Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is. " Which is it? you we're discharged or , you don't want to lose E4? You cannot honestly expect us to believe you still get paid E4 pay and think that you were discharged. You cannot KEEP your E4 status if you were discharged. You chose to move without documentation of a discharge...
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Sgt Justin Vickers - I see now.

The extra income the military brings helps low income individuals as myself. Before I had my children, my bring home pay was around 180, didn't have much time in service as it was; I could live off of just that, now with being in for 11 years, I'm maxed out on e4, and now having two kids to support, without child support, mind you, times were tough where I was living. Baby sitters cost out the ass, pardon my language, any form of child care setting was as well, balancing work (two jobs) and school; not really knowing anyone that I could trust, and the one person who I did trust fucked us over royally, doing the worst thing ever (to children, not murder), so my trust in people is very thin. Anyways, I didn't want to lose my rank or pay because of miscommunication and the lack of knowledge to a discharge before ETS, I never had to sign paperwork for my first ETS, so how was I supposed to know? Come to find out, the NCO that had told me this, confused me with someone else, which our looks are close to identical, and our voices. With a unit that is relatively big in numbers and lack of association with service members, I get the confusion. I'm not irk'd over this mishap, now that I understand better. I wrote this OP in a blind rush, hoping for guidance and answers when I didn't know who to turn to, and the SL that contacted me via facebook, well I couldn't take him seriously in the first place due to his demeanor/attitude to even get a straight answer, and want really wanting to jump my own chain of command, when my own COC didn't even know WHY I was absent for so long, or even seemed to care.

My first ETS, I went to drill, had an informal goodbye ceremony, and after that drill, I didn't go back, obviously. A year later I get my DD214 and honorable discharge in the mail, so I didn't think anything of it. I had seriously thought I was discharged, and take to a quick call to the state, I found out real quick that I hadn't been, showed up at the very next drill, and drilledd faithfully, except August when I was given an excused absence, until September, when I got my ITS packet sent off. Since then I have been drilling at my new unit, a fresh start where no one knows my fuck up for not following up on the discharge that I was supposedly getting. I was already trying to get a hardship discharge anyways, because I was a high risk pregnancy and didn't want to complicate things, being on bed rest.

The unit even made me take a PT test, even after documentation stating that I couldn't, not shouldn't do any form of activities... Which I think honestly helped cause the miscarriage... But who knows.

Last thing: my commander heard my side if the story, heard the e7s side of his story, so on, gathered with the chain of command, and literally saved my ass, with that being said, I am still an e4, with e4 pay. I'll even be glad to send you my les's for the year that I was gone, so you and every one else who thinks I was still getting paid, will see my truth.

Have a wonderful day, SGT.

P. S. I apologize for any typos, I use Swype on my tablet because tapping every letter takes to much time.
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