Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
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I doubt there is any warrant for your arrest. When you start repeatedly being absent from National Guard unit training assemblies, they will usually just administratively reduce you in rank to E1 and then discharge you.

If you really believe the circumstances you have stated here, then you should explain that to your superiors. If they then decide to Article 15 you, you should request to speak with a military lawyer. If, in fact, you have done nothing wrong, your military lawyer may advise you that your best option is to request court-martial in lieu of Article 15, which will usually cause all charges to be dropped if you really have done nothing wrong.

But your story isn't holding water. On one hand, you state you believed you were discharged. On the other hand, you are worried about being reduced in rank and losing pay. If you really were discharged, you would not have been entitled to any pay, so why would you be worried about losing it?
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Well my experience with active duty Army is that once you return after being AWOL for more than 30 days you will be removed from the roster. Your pay should have also been stopped.

I was in a unit when a soldier was arrested and sent to us after being AWOL for over 3 years. I'm not making this shit up I promise. After all the proper paperwork was done he was sentenced to 12 months at Leavenworth, and got out in 9 months.

In my personal opinion you have made some big mistakes. The only thing you can do now is own up to them and take the punishment you have coming. Sooner rather than later.

I also personally have no sympathy for you since you did not contact your Chain of Command in an attempt to correct the mistakes you made. Obviously the miscarriage thing could have been worked out at the next drill if you had just gone to it. They could not fault you in any way for being under medical attention for something you had no control over.

You didn't use common sense once from what I read and I am shocked you have made it so far in life. Good luck with your future court martial.
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PO1 Scott Cottrell
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First thing I would tell you is until you have the DD-214 (or whatever the Guard uses), you are not released from Duty. You can have discharge papers in you hands, but unless you have your DD-214, they mean nothing. The old joke when reenlisting on active duty is they hand you a Honorable discharge and you could leave without reenlisting. Well, it's not true until you have your DD-214, you are not discharged.
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So, first off: Yes, you can receive an Art 15. Regardless of your Affiliation or status. Typically, if you do something while not in Status, that issue is not taken care of by the Military unless it spills over and it affects he unit's ability to function.
2nd, you missed the point of a conversation somewhere and you should have sought out the corrective actions for your failures to be at your appointed place at the appointed time. Yes, you failed. Your Chain-of-Command failed too, but you are one soldier amongst many. You have yourself to look after, but your supervisor has multiple people to look after.

My Airmen always informed me of issues in their personal life and I was able to help them form better informed decisions.

Not healing fast enough? What kind of reason for discharge is that? I hope you have that in writing. IF so, you may have a case that you were failed.
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That is pathetic leadership coming from the platoon sergeant to the squad leader and the readiness nco. You do run a risk of being discharged. You will lose your rank. But, you can bounce back. If this is your first disciplinary issue, you may have to take the demotion. Did your unit make any other attempts to contact you for AWOL recovery? Have you received any counseling statements aside from Initial Counseling statement? If you can say NO to all of that, you have a fighting chance with suspended sentence. Thats a real long shot, but worth considering. I must agree, however, with a previous comment. You never received discharge papers, why didnt you follow up with the readiness nco?
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SGT Sergeant
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You wouldn't get pay if you were out anyway. So why would that be a concern to you? Also if 30 bucks is what's hurting you, you would lose more money driving 12 hours to drill at that level
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MSgt Security Business Analyst
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Is this for real?
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If they claim theymre going to NJP you, they first have to read you your rights and offer legal counsel. Until then don't even worry... In the instance they do offer legal counsel then contact the JAG or whatever it is in your branch and speak to anlawyer about what you have on your side. Continue to drill, you still have a contract/obligation to fulfill regardless. If yiu do get NJP'd it is not the end of the world... Work hard for what you "want" and fight for what you "love".
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PO1 Felix Rivera
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I can empathize, Life happens and it must be must be dealt with. You stated that you miscarried in January and that you took leave to recuperate but you were not healing quickly enough. Did that occur in 2015? I only ask because it seems odd that your command would want to separate you so quickly unless you were refusing to report to Initial Active Duty Training. Under Army regulation 135-91, chapter 3, any member that refuses or fails to attend unit drills are not considered "unsatisfactory participation." Members who report for IADT and then go AWOL are treated the same as active duty members that go absent. This could be the reason why your new squad leader made that statement.

I don't know the exact particulars to your situation but let me ask one thing. Did you ever inform anyone of your situation in order to get additional guidance? Unless I am mistaken, it would appear that you have not reported to any drills/training in 16 months. Yes the UCMJ does not apply unless you have been called to FEDERAL active duty service.

However many states have enacted state laws which mimic the UCMJ articles for Guard members performing state service. In all cases, whether Guard or Reserve, members ordered to Extended Active Duty (EAD) -- such as for a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan -- are subject to the UCMJ. Guard and Reserve members who refuse or fail to comply with EAD orders, or go absent while on EAD are treated the exact same way as active duty members who go AWOL.

My suggestion is speak with someone well versed in these matters and get the guidance that you need. Good Luck to you.
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SGT S1 Personnel Nco
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I am sorry for your loss. If your unit had not tried to make contact with you that might be a problem within your unit. As an E4 you should know that anything that changes whether it be address change, marital status, ect.. That is on you to make contact with your unit and make sure that make the correct changes. You need to step up and take responsibility for your actions and maybe all will go in your favor. First you should make contact with your chain of command and let them know of your intentions. Second go to drill and accept what ever it is you will recieve. Third good luck.
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