Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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PO1 Howard Doll
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While I am sorry to hear of your loss, this is a practice of poor head work. The thought of "maybe I should check in" never occur? Right or wrong, I have always kept everyone (your superiors) in the loop. Personally I think you owe the Gov't some back pay. Take the consequences of your actions.
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Abel Ortolaza
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You are a unsatisfactory performer and you get discharged from the national guard or reserve and placed in the IRR with MSO or completly discharged from the service. No jail time.
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MAJ (Other / Not listed)
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BLUF: get in contact with JAG ASAP! I'm active duty for 19 years my wife was for 6 and now 2 years reserve as a JAG officer - contact them immediately- end of discussion.
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MSG Mark Million
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There is far to much information not available here to give a difinitive true answer. It should go with basic soldiering to follow up asking for the discharge papers you say you were promised. Until you have the, basic rule of thumb should be you would still be in. Assuming that you are out without the paperwork would constitute poor critical thinking skills. However to fix the situation step 1 contact an attorney to ensure you know what you can say. MOST IMPORTANTLY CONTACT YOUR UNIT. The reason I say attorney first is that the first thing your unit will want is updated contact information, an attorney can advise you on how to answer the questions your unit will want answered in the manner that is safest for you. This does NOT MEAN LIE, it means know when it might be acceptable to do things such as invoking certain rights. This could be a very easy fix, or it might be complex depending on the actions your unit has taken. Get some basic legal advice, then CONTACT YOUR UNIT.
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SSG Tim Wood
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Is this shit for real? Can't be
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SGT Tracey "Tra" Cooper-Harris
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I'm going to agree with 1SG Healy. Bad leadership. I was in a Guard unit right after my 8yr AD enlistment. Tried contacting the unit while on Terminal Leave in August through November (1st Drill was supposed to be in October).

Nada until December. Then they said they didn't have funding to send me to get MOS qualified for the first year and a half I drilled with them. So, I was just going to do my obligations ride out my contract.

Then my Mom died. I asked if I could transfer to another unit, and I got it okayed thru the command. Moved out of SC to find another unit and transfer to the Reserves where they had my Active Duty MOS. Few months later, 9/11 happens. Get a call from my NG unit saying if I don't come to drill, I'll be AWOL and arrested whenever I come back to South Carolina. They called my Pop who was still grieving the loss of my Mom and told him the same thing. He was pretty upset.

So, I went back. Apparently, I was told erroneous info, and the LTC who harassed me and my Pop was on medical leave. I talked to the new Commander and 1SG about what was discussed with the previous Commander, my new location, and that my not being MOS Q'd would not look good for this unit's readiness as they were preparing for deployment. I was working with a recruiter in CA to go into the Reserves, and I would be in a new unit before the end of the year. They wished me luck and I was at MEPS in January 2002. First drill with my unit was February 2002,and we were activated for OEF and OIF by July.

The straw that broke the camel's back with me and this unit was a phone call to my cell at 530am California time asking if I would be at drill. This was March 2002. In order for me to enlist in the Reserves, the SCNG AG had to release me from the Guard. The fact that some idiot called me asking if I was coming to drill when my updated information from October 2001 had me in California and transferring into the Reserves had me cuss the person out and threaten an IG investigation on the unit. The NCO who called said they couldn't verify that my contract with the Guard had been broken. I informed him to check with the Adjutant General for the State, since I signed a contract with the Reserves & was no longer part of the Guard. And it is impossible for me to be part of BOTH.

All that was to say this:
Unless you stay current with your contacts in your unit and following up with what folks say they're going to do, things won't get done. This may not be with all Guard units, but it was my experience. You won't be AWOL. You have an obligation to keep them informed and stay on them about paperwork to process you out, if that's what you want.
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SCPO Investigator
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Paragraph Three: you knew were getting paid, but didn't know you were still on the roster? You did yourself no favors with that incongruent admission.
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CPL Ray Hughes
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You were AWOL. The National Guard is not exempt from the UCMJ. You were ok with being paid for nothing. That's fraud. You are AWOL collected tax payers money for not doing your job You might want to be a politician. Your don't deserve an article 15. You deserve a full court martial. You get no sympathy here when I know combat wounded begging to go back to there units. Have fun making little rocks out of big rocks for a few years. Also without pay and enjoy your dishonorable discharge. I don't believe one word. There are exceptions for your medical issues if there truly were any Byrn your uniforms you are a disgrace
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PO1 Javid Benson
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U made the choice to not show up for a year legally that's awol I can't understand why no contacted u though
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SGT Janet Howell
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National Guard is still military. Your leadership should have follow up but since you were the one who signed that contract you should have followed up. It was your career path.
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