Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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You are in the Guard and cannot get an Art 15. It falls under what state NG regulations you have. I live in Texas so we have TCMJ for NG. You can be punished under your state regulations. You need to find out if an AWOL packet has been submitted and if it is too late to try and clear it up.
Second, RDNCOs are notorious for giving out bad info without talking to their 1SG and CO first. Trust me since I am a 1SG.
Third, you need to ask your first line leader to talk to the 1SG and Commander to figure out what they want to do. If you are able to be retained then you need to tell them that is what you want to do and then ask for an Interstate Transfer and you need to find a unit closer to where you live. First you need to find out if they are going to discharge you first.
You have an obligation to the Guard. However, I see things like this all the time so it is not that uncommon. You need to be honest and open with your chain of command and tell them you want to be retained.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Thankyou 1SG.

Everything has actually been taken care of; this post is 3 years old (lol). I did talk to my CO. By the time I returned to the unit, discharge paperwork had been sent to state, but she was able to pull it so I could stay in. I also did get an IST, after 8months of traveling 12 hours (one way) for drill and ADT. I believe my paperwork was completed September of 2017, and have been drilling with my new unit a year prior. Now I am scheduled to ETS this coming February. I was also able to keep my rank (and no, I was not getting paid while I was missing drilling status, to clear the air).

And also, I have recently given birth to a beautiful, healthy baby boy; albeit the tumor is still there, but fully calcified now. In the spring time I will be having it removed. Although that miscarriage was a very horrible one, after I received the autopsy, it was deemed that the baby had Trisomy 13, which makes a life span very short in some cases; although I hate saying this, the miscarriage is technically a good thing, because after carrying a child full term and him or her passing away shortly after would have killed me, instead of killing my mental status, per-say.

Again, Thankyou.
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first of all, If you as a soldier fail to notify your COC then you are at fault. Second, if you wish to continue your service take a reduction in rank and speak to commander about this issue of remaining. Third, request a interstate transfer to a unit that will accept you and within driving distance. Look at your states annotated code it will outline the items you are in search of. remember you are in control of your career there are four things that you have total control : 1: pt, 2: weapons qual, 3; education ( correspondence courses, and SSD or DLC whichever you know them as.) 4; attendance. I'm gonna tell you from experience it is ALL up to you. after your miscarriage ( which I am sorry to hear about) you needed to be in contact with COC.
Good luck in your future endeavors with this unit or others. remember ... communication is key
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Thankyou SFC. Everything turned out very well. I am still enlisted (until February) and did complete and IST. And have also had a baby in the meantime. My new unit is super awesome, and I love them to death. They are a true unit with leadership I wish to see in every unit.
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My question is: Were you still receiving pay and benefits while you were under the impression you were discharged? I’m sure you would have noticed if that paycheck was/wasn’t being deposited every month.
I’d you weren’t getting paid you can use it to your advantage that you thought you were discharged, if you were getting paid you don’t have a leg to stand on unfortunately.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Finally someone gets it! Haha. No, I was not receiving pay or benefits. I stated I didn’t want to lose my pay, as in rank. Thankyou!
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If you weren’t receiving pay/benefits after someone in S1 or command told you that you had been discharged, you may have an argument. The best option is to go back to post, first seek of Legal/JAG, inform them of the situation and any and all messages you have about this situation (bring screen caps or better yet print outs) and make it known that you (a lower enlisted Solider) were informed by an Officer that you had been discharged. Worst case is they deny your claim and you are discharged, you then can take it up with the Army Board of Discharge Review, they generally have more common sense than your commander on what is fair and not. Best of luck.
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SPC (Join to see) - This was all resolved YEARS ago.
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It sounds like you have everything squared away now. I’m sorry for your loss and let me tell you as a Team Leader it bothers me that yours never reached out to see how you were doing. Obviously we don’t know everything. We only know part of your side but your unit should have reached out after the first drill you actually missed. You in turn should have been in contact with someone from your unit. Always keep in contact with your unit. It should be easier now that you are in a unit you fit in better with. I don’t know what kind of MP unit you are in but you know the UCMJ and what could’ve happened here. I also understand that you were physically and mental not in a good place. I was injured within two months of being in theatre and stayed with my unit which was horrible then but I’m really paying for it all now. I was barely able to make my 6 years but couldn’t re-enlist. I’m lucky if I can stand up. Im dealing with not only physical injuries but PTSD, depression, and anxiety. You have a responsibility to your family to get healthy so take care of yourself. The military loves paperwork and you make sure you keep a record of everything for yourself. Good luck with the new unit! If you didn't ETS be a better NCO than yours were to you!
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Thankyou! Everything has definitely turned out for the better, and I am also sorry to hear about your situation. I really hope one day all your aches and pains will go away, or at least subside enough for you to do things you once enjoyed doing.

As far as the miscarriage goes, the tumor is still “there”, but I have successfully delivered a beautiful baby boy on November 3; it was a rough ride and a very long journey, but I survived!

And I ETS in February. My body, too, also hurts. An injury I sustained in basic training is slowly creeping up in my old bones. Lol.

Take care CPL.
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You are an Army Reservist. Find a unit near, drill at that unit. You have moved out of state, the have to do the transfer. Article 15, no that guy is nuts, call your old commander directly and explain your situation. You have 90 days to find a unit and RST. Send the 1380 to the losing command along with a DA 4651 request for reassignment. Be calm, your going to be okay. Note: If you are National Guard the paperwork is different but the process is about the same. Contact the NG HQ for your state.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Thank you, SFC. This was an issue back in late 2p15, earmy 2016 and it has been resolved.

I have completed my IST, as of FY 2018 I have been with my new unit. It took nearly a year for my transfer to go through, but it finally happened. :)
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My apologies, 2015* and early**. Fat fingered the keys. Haha.
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Lt Col Brett Meyer
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Not quite sure where to start here............ I do think though that you might have to take the (P) off your signature block.
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"told me that I was being discharged (In April)" The way it reads by then discussing December I will go with it was 2015.

"I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is. "

HOW DO YOU GET PAID IF YOU WERE DISCHARGED!!! If you are still getting a paycheck and she knows she has been, then you are still in the NG.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Chief, I never once said I was getting paid. I meant I didn't want to lose the pay that came with E4....
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MSgt John Butcher
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SPC I'm not sure what state your from but there is a state statue that would be similar to an article 10. Your old unit probably began sending out Letters of Counseling certified mail to your old address. Once you missed 9 UTA's (3 I/2 months) the unit can discharge administratively for any number of reasons: AWOL being one. You should talk to a JAG and get advice from them.
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Hmmm You say you dont want to lose your pay. So that kinda gives an indicator that you knew you were still on the books. Sounds fishy and unlikely to me. Wish you the best of luck.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers Has this situation been resolved since first posted back in January. Hoping you were able to get a fair resolution.
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