Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
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My head hurts contact JAG yesterday
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SGT Gary Vaught
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If you thought you were discharged then why would you think you still get paid???
After discharge your no longer get paid and as far as rank you don't wear your stripes anymore...
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I believe she was referring to when she goes back in. For example, if they forced her to start drilling again, but garnished her pay due to an Article 15.
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SSG Mark Franzen
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YOU SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO YOUR PLT SGT AND IF NOT THEN TO YOUR PLT LEADER FOR SOME HELP. IF NOT GO SEE THE FIRST SGT BUT BY GOING AWOL WAS THE WRONG CHOICE THERE IS ALOT OF HELP CHAPLINS AND MORE.
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MSG Catherine My
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If you thought you were out of the military, why would you be continuing getting paid??
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SGT Stacy Martin
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How on God's green Earth did you think you were out if they were still paying you. I'll call you out on it, you're full of it.
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SPC Mark Ballew
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As a former Army Paralegal who served on AD and in the Reserve's I can tell you with 100% certainty that they cannot arrest you for AWOL
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It seems to me that you do have a multitude of special circumstances surrounding you . One thing that is definitely working against you, the time you remained un accounted for (one year) without making contact or even attempting to do so?? .At this point you need to contact the nearest base JAG. On several occasions I was in trouble, one time stateside I managed to secure a 3 day leave with several buddies to drive from Ft Rucker, AL. to a 3 day pop festival at Baton Rouge speedway in Fairysville ,LA . our beat up car required 7 quarts of oil 3 push starts (being an automatic) a vehicle we had to give up on and ditch at a Howard Johnson restaurant. We ,all 7 of us found our way back to base on foot by different means hitch hike, or bus . When I arrived back at our units orderly room to sign back in. the soldier on duty tried to put me down as AWOL for technically 5 to 15 minutes late. I was able to talk my way out of that one . I guess the soldier on duty was more jealous of the fact that he couldn't go. After Mother Rucker I was sent to Ft. Wolters for Warrant Officers flight training. Part of that training was Military law ( UCMJ) for command and Control of enlisted personnel under me ie: my crew. Later in Vietnam (an actual war zone at that time being 1969. My Company commander,a former CID (Criminal Investigation Division CO a Major ,who was in his 50's , married with kids back stateside was running a prostitution ring. Who was making an offer to the "mammasan" in charge of our hooch maid that he would give her 2 to three dollars more out of our pockets each if "Babby San" (who was about 14 or 15) would stay with him /sex at nights every night. little baby san was like a little sister to every enlisted man in our company needless to say I had a word with men aside from the Maj. I decided the best way we could collectively ,deal with this problem, was to petition him with a signed petition stating to fire all our hootch maids to prevent this SOS (Sack Of Sxxt )corrupt old man sexual predator / Human trafficking. Well once he got word of our intended action. I was called into his office. first he accused me of mutiny in a war zone ,which ..according to him, was punishable by death by firing squad. I stood squarely at attention before him.. as he "threatened" me with Article 15 ( which is only can be a means of to be used as attempting make me comply with his will . I remembered my training in mil law I replied looking hin straight in the eye and replied : " Fxxk you...sir" and refused to accept his Article 15 , the look on his face as he looked up with the glare ,the look on his face...truly" priceless" , which you have the right under the Uniform Code of Military Justice to do . He being a Major was well aware of my rights . but he was thinking more with his Johnson than his brain. ,but in refusing the disciplinary action which is reserved only for Company Commanders . but he is allowed to follow up with a stiffer threat . which he did citing my petition comparing it to an act of Mutiny and was ready to bring me before what is called a "general court marshal " which cannot be refused an carries stiffer punishments.
Thus confrontation carried all the ingredients of an "old west" saloon poker game complete wit the verbal shoot out between us. ...After all the whole war zone mutiny firing squad fear trip he was trying to lay on me. I came back at him ..shot him down with one statement ...." Sir !, when I'm done with you (pause) , your wife wont even want to talk to you". ................
,,, called his bluff KABAM!!!!
One Shot one kill" I should have been a recon sniper.
needless to say , I put in for a 2nd tour/ transfer to the DMZ Quang TRI it was approved n there I remained till the last days of the war. with 23 Russian tanks and God knows ,how many NVA approx. 5 miles away well staged and ready to invade n I was one of the last 8 who volunteered to remain and train counterparts. (321st Avn det ,165th Avn Bn /1st AVN brigade. By the time my 3yr hitch was up I had lived next door to ADM "Bull Halsey,met Gen Westmoreland , aided in the rescue of a little VN girl who stepped on a Vietcong landmine prevented a hamlet/village Long Than from getting overrun ,read the riot act to a general over the phone during the attack that night. survived an ammo dump explosion (suicide bomber) Quang Tri .
the army finally offered me OCS...a decision which I somewhat at times regret.
I hope this will help you arrive at the "Right decision, politics media have changed the military since we parted ways. contact a J A G explain your case express your fears and desire and willingness to return... and above all ,... be honest, honest with your heart trust in God ,be strong. the comparison to Berghdal comment: his actions in my opinion is flat out "desertion" and should be offered last words and a blind fold but that is another story.
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She was told in April that she was being discharged. In August, she saw her platoon sgt and he didn't say a thing about her being unaccounted for. She made this post in January.
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How are you still getting paid if you were discharged.
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SGT Brian Van Asdall
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Crappy leadership sure, but did you have a DD214 in hand before deciding to move two states away? Now, I was active duty and not National Guard, so I'm not sure what the clearing process for you would have entailed. When you are active duty, you work full time as a soldier, and don't go home for weeks between drills, so it's a lot less confusing. But if you just took a single NCO at their word that you were being DISCHARGED from the military and moved away with no paperwork to prove it...that's entirely on youl
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I did the same thing when I left the reserves--you don't get paperwork, your iPerms just updates with your new "unit" being the IRR. However, I admit, I did follow up mercilessly with them on a weekly basis until my iPerms updated. It took about 5 months for them to process. Technically, I was supposed to be at drill during that time, but because they were all aware of my situation they didn't count it against me. It does sound like her former 1st line had her contact info and didn't contact her regarding this, though. In my mind, this falls on him.
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Your an idiot and this is a lame excuse. You in-processed and have seen others out procces. You knew it did not just happen without you doing anything. Seriously you are beyond stupid!!!!!!! You deserve the Art 15!!!!!!!
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Instead of insulting, you should ask questions.
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