Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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I don't have a clue how one can be AWOL for a year without knowing it, unless that person was taken hostage without knowledge and kept away for a year, but then the Command should have been aware of it. Okay; too confusing.
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SGT Thom Knott
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The key element in your argument, by your own admission you are still being paid. Common sense dictates that a huge red flag was there and either you thought that you were mistakingly recieving pay or you knew that you were missing drills. Both issues show tour lack of responsibility to manage your separation. In my opinion, you pay the government back and get immediately discharged.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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No, I meant the pay as an E4, I never said that I was receiving pay while I was absent from drill. Please read other comments before assuming things, sgt. This issue has been cleared for almost two years now.
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SGT Thom Knott
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You said that you were told that you were being discharged in April, in August your squad leader notified you that you were Awol and that you didnt want to lose rank or pay. Again, if you were recieving pay and thought that you had been discharged, why didn't you take care of it. 5 months of missing drills and getting a check should have thrown up red flags.
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COL William Oseles
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When you did not receive a discharge you should have checked.
I would suggest you call the Commander and ask what is going on.
Question, do you still have your military ID?
885. ARTICLE 85. DESERTION
10. Punitive Articles
(a) Any member of the armed forces who–
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
You thought you were being separated which would make it AWOL. Question is how much contact did you have with your unit between January and August? IF you were being carried as AWOL he had a responsibility to tell you.
AND, since you said you did not want to be discharge, what steps have you taken to find a new unit where you moved to?
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SPC Lorrita Morgan
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I can't speak to National Guard or Reserves, but I got an Article 15 for being in the hospital and not informing my unit while in USAEUR. Didn't matter that I had a 105F fever at admittance and was unconscious for 2 days. OR that Wuerzburg Army Hospital neglected to inform my unit. I did NOT inform anyone in my chain of command that I was going to ER. I didn't even tell my roommates.

You have to be dead to not report. YOU needed to show up or at least make a phone call once a month.
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CW4 Anthony Carbo
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I would highly suggest before you do anything else get a hold of you State Judge Av Office and tt them. GOOD LUCK.
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SFC John Hatton
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How would you not know?
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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By an E7 telling me I was discharged, and then going about my life until I get contacted via Facebook messenger (after about 7 months of being "awol") telling me that I need to show up ASAP or there would be a warrant for my arrest. That's how someone would go AWOL unknowingly, SFC. Majority of the units leadership wasn't the greatest, nor was some of the team members (I had a few on my friends list that never bothered to inform me that my name was still being called at roster check-in, nor did my Platoon Sergeant tell me when we ran into each other mid-hiatus.)
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SFC John Hatton
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Guess I need to know some specifics. Army reserve or Active duty.
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SGT Rick Toole
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Well, the National Guard doesn't always stay on top of things. I myself was in the Florida National Guard. I went active duty from the guard. 5 years later showed up on the blotter "AWOL". was called out of formation. Well, lets just say the whole battalion had a laugh. Supposedly I had been "AWOL" for 5 years. No flags, nothing. Just out of the blue. Maybe a little different then your case since my transfer was command approved but, The ball was definitely dropped somewhere.
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SSgt Michael Cox
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Your military career is always your responsibility. If you had any medical problems making it so you couldn't drill it was your responsibility to contact your First Sargent to let him/her know whats going on. Another thing is if the Army was going to discharge you, you would still have to come to post to sign paperwork acknowledging that you were being separated. Like others have said punishments may differ but most likely you will receive a bad conduct discharge.
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TSgt Tommy Amparano
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Sorry what happened to you, but it is ultimately your responsibility to make sure you are squared away before not showing up to duty anymore. Normally when any type of administrative action is taken in the military, there is paperwork involved. Until you get paperwork saying that your are discharged, I would just not take someone's word for it. As for no Article 15s in the National Guard, you fall under the UCMJ so everything in Active Duty applies really.
As for finding out if you have a warrant, I would just contact your closest military installation. Apparently you can also surrender yourself to civilian law enforcement authorities. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2004-title32-vol4/html/CFR-2004-title32-vol4-part630-subpartG.htm

Good luck to you.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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I'm lacking understanding here. Your responsible for you that's true on any person in the military. There is no telling you thing here, it's about the paperwork that's signed and in your hand. It's your responsibility to take care of you, but I think there was also a leadership breakdown. Didn't anyone there think to check on you given yiur circumstances? If you were discharged you would have paperwork saying so, so that's pretty simple.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Sadly, no one checked on me. Not even the ones who were still drilling and on my facebook page. One of them could have messaged me and let me know that my name was called.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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Na. If you were properly discharged you would have just signed out and had the proper documentation. It's that thing being in the military that they treat you like an adult. I'm sorry for what happened I really am, but it's still your responsibility to know exactly where you stood. Leadership didn't help, but, still...
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