Posted on Jan 6, 2016
Can I receive an article 15 for unknowingly being AWOL for a year? Help!?
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UPDATE 02/12/2021
WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.
I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.
To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.
I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.
Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.
I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.
Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.
SOOO... I think that sums it up.
PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).
Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....
For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).
Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.
UPDATE 11/15
Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:
So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.
From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.
Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.
Why didn’t I?
I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.
Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.
And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).
No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.
I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.
What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.
I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.
Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.
Thankyou.
WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.
I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.
To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.
I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.
Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.
I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.
Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.
SOOO... I think that sums it up.
PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).
Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....
For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).
Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.
UPDATE 11/15
Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:
So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.
From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.
Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.
Why didn’t I?
I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.
Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.
And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).
No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.
I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.
What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.
I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.
Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.
Thankyou.
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So, much to unpack here.
You can NOT just move away, you have to notify your unit, which if you were a decent soldier you would done just to do. Once they know you are moving they will transfer you to the new unit in the new state.
They can give you an article 15, and they will.
You fucked up, and that is all there is to it.
You can NOT just move away, you have to notify your unit, which if you were a decent soldier you would done just to do. Once they know you are moving they will transfer you to the new unit in the new state.
They can give you an article 15, and they will.
You fucked up, and that is all there is to it.
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SPC Chris Ison
SPC(P) Delcina Myers -
The question was can they give you an article 15, and the answer is still yes.
There is ZERO chance of you being "unknowingly awol".
The question was can they give you an article 15, and the answer is still yes.
There is ZERO chance of you being "unknowingly awol".
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
SPC Chris Ison “can they” and “will they” are two different scenarios. And “zero chance” is also, a different scenario.
I WAS unknowingly AWOL: “You’re being discharged, you’re packet is at state level” is me saying “okay, thanks, I’ll just move on”. Later on, I see my PS at my place of work and NOTHING was mentioned of me still being on the roster (by the time he figured it out I had already moved, which my dads address - where we moved to- was ON RECORD). Don’t you see where the fluke is? I was mistaken for someone else. A big ass FLUKE IN LEADERSHIP. No where should I or was I to blame for my moving on. And the whole “did you receive discharge papers? You’re not discharged until you receive those papers” UH, NO. Here it is, almost July and I still don’t have discharge papers from my ETS in February. Explain that one? Sorry (not sorry) but it’s not an in house process. I’m sure I’ve mentioned that in another comment?
Sorry, but I’m getting frustrated for rude ass comments 4 YEARS LATER, EXPO FACTO. It’s done, it’s over, FINITO. I never received an Article 15; I got transferred; I served the rest of my contract without another hiccup or fluke. That’s why I mentioned for you to read the rest of the story. So, it’s done. Just stop. If I knew how to delete this damned thread I would’ve already. Hence the UPDATE at the bottom of the thread.
I WAS unknowingly AWOL: “You’re being discharged, you’re packet is at state level” is me saying “okay, thanks, I’ll just move on”. Later on, I see my PS at my place of work and NOTHING was mentioned of me still being on the roster (by the time he figured it out I had already moved, which my dads address - where we moved to- was ON RECORD). Don’t you see where the fluke is? I was mistaken for someone else. A big ass FLUKE IN LEADERSHIP. No where should I or was I to blame for my moving on. And the whole “did you receive discharge papers? You’re not discharged until you receive those papers” UH, NO. Here it is, almost July and I still don’t have discharge papers from my ETS in February. Explain that one? Sorry (not sorry) but it’s not an in house process. I’m sure I’ve mentioned that in another comment?
Sorry, but I’m getting frustrated for rude ass comments 4 YEARS LATER, EXPO FACTO. It’s done, it’s over, FINITO. I never received an Article 15; I got transferred; I served the rest of my contract without another hiccup or fluke. That’s why I mentioned for you to read the rest of the story. So, it’s done. Just stop. If I knew how to delete this damned thread I would’ve already. Hence the UPDATE at the bottom of the thread.
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SPC Chris Ison
When I came back from Iraq the state was going to discharge me because The doctor who did my REFRAD gave me a 3 profile.
The readiness NCO at my unit was new, and he put me in the ING, when I showed him my letter. I spent 2 years in the ING waiting to get discharged, and after I had NOT received any discharge paperwork *I* contacted my unit to find out what the fuck was going on.
Apparently the state has the power to discharge a soldier with no medical board, but not the ability to pull them out of the ING.
It was NOT a fluke, you made an assumption, and when you did not hear anything from your unit, you ignored them just as much as they ignored you. It is always the individuals soldiers responsibility for taking care of her business. And you failed to do so, which is why you were listed as AWOL.
Did you fuck up? Yes, yes they did. But there fuck ups do not absolve you of your responsibility to yourself and your unit.
In the end YOU are the one who pays for their mistakes, and that is the military way.
The readiness NCO at my unit was new, and he put me in the ING, when I showed him my letter. I spent 2 years in the ING waiting to get discharged, and after I had NOT received any discharge paperwork *I* contacted my unit to find out what the fuck was going on.
Apparently the state has the power to discharge a soldier with no medical board, but not the ability to pull them out of the ING.
It was NOT a fluke, you made an assumption, and when you did not hear anything from your unit, you ignored them just as much as they ignored you. It is always the individuals soldiers responsibility for taking care of her business. And you failed to do so, which is why you were listed as AWOL.
Did you fuck up? Yes, yes they did. But there fuck ups do not absolve you of your responsibility to yourself and your unit.
In the end YOU are the one who pays for their mistakes, and that is the military way.
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I'm not an expert on the NG regs but I used to work in an AWOL Apprehension unit and you'd be surprised at how many soldiers went AWOL thinking it was OK because no one called them to come back to work. That said though, the plain and simple truth is; You are not discharged until you have discharge papers in your hand, I don't care if the President said you can go home. No papers, then you need to show up. You don't get to sit at home and make the rules up or assume anything.
For active-duty soldiers, if I remember right. If you are declared AWOL by your unit, which could be you didn't show up for formation on Friday and again on Monday. You are AWOL. After 30 days the unit can drop you from the rolls and on day 31 it becomes Desertion. You are then reported to the US Army Deserter Information Point, (USA DIP) which then notifies civil authorities through the National Crime Information Center, (NCIC). There is an open warrant for your arrest by civil and military authorities. If you get pulled over for a traffic stop somewhere you will be arrested and held until military authorities come and get you.
There are several ways to avoid this. Call your unit and get the situation resolved (and not som PFC in your squad. I mean the !SG or CDR).
Turn yourself into civil authorities or to Military Police at any installation. After this, it may be as simple as getting your personnel office to process a discharge or you may have to go to a Personnel Control Facility for processing. There you will be given the choice to return to you unit and report for duty or take a Bad Conduct or Less than Honorable discharge.
The best thing to do is to go back to your unit and work it out. Get it all behind you. No excuses. Do what's right.
I am sorry that you lost your baby. It's a hard thing to deal with. I'll keep you in my prayers.
For active-duty soldiers, if I remember right. If you are declared AWOL by your unit, which could be you didn't show up for formation on Friday and again on Monday. You are AWOL. After 30 days the unit can drop you from the rolls and on day 31 it becomes Desertion. You are then reported to the US Army Deserter Information Point, (USA DIP) which then notifies civil authorities through the National Crime Information Center, (NCIC). There is an open warrant for your arrest by civil and military authorities. If you get pulled over for a traffic stop somewhere you will be arrested and held until military authorities come and get you.
There are several ways to avoid this. Call your unit and get the situation resolved (and not som PFC in your squad. I mean the !SG or CDR).
Turn yourself into civil authorities or to Military Police at any installation. After this, it may be as simple as getting your personnel office to process a discharge or you may have to go to a Personnel Control Facility for processing. There you will be given the choice to return to you unit and report for duty or take a Bad Conduct or Less than Honorable discharge.
The best thing to do is to go back to your unit and work it out. Get it all behind you. No excuses. Do what's right.
I am sorry that you lost your baby. It's a hard thing to deal with. I'll keep you in my prayers.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
Thank you, however, this was 4 years ago. And it has all been resolved. Please read the ENTIRE post. Thanks in advance.
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Join a different branch of the service. Seriously. Almost every EFFED UP thing I see on here originates with the Army. How the hell can such a WALKING CLUSTER%^K even exist ? Makes me want to puke. TOTALLY UNSAT.
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Talk to a civilian attorney that practices military law and don’t listen to what I call barracks lawyers....
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You could receive an Article 15 but remember that’s just non-judicial punishment with very low punishment and not much permanent impact. Many states have state codes of military justice that mirror US code of military justice and apply to Guard members. But if you’ve have made a bonafide documented move to another state you can apply to your old state headquarters for a discharge and, barring something unusual, it will be granted. Arrest warrants for AWOL from drill don’t usually go beyond state lines and aren’t likely to be enforced.
As for not being able to give a Guard member an Article 15 that’s not true if the state has state code of military justice. It’s kinda true for Army reservists because they are not subject to state codes of military justice (no dual status-state and federal). Reservists often have to be ordered to active duty for military punishment (court martial, etc.) so they often just discharge them rather than going through the cost of time and money (witnesses and others may have to be called to active duty too).
But, really, if you’ve been absent over a year it’s likely they are already processing you for discharge anyway. The arrest warrant is an early step. My recommendation would be to contact your old unit and your state headquarters in writing advising you have moved out of state and requesting a discharge, or, possibly a transfer to your new state Guard if you wish to continue serving.
As for not being able to give a Guard member an Article 15 that’s not true if the state has state code of military justice. It’s kinda true for Army reservists because they are not subject to state codes of military justice (no dual status-state and federal). Reservists often have to be ordered to active duty for military punishment (court martial, etc.) so they often just discharge them rather than going through the cost of time and money (witnesses and others may have to be called to active duty too).
But, really, if you’ve been absent over a year it’s likely they are already processing you for discharge anyway. The arrest warrant is an early step. My recommendation would be to contact your old unit and your state headquarters in writing advising you have moved out of state and requesting a discharge, or, possibly a transfer to your new state Guard if you wish to continue serving.
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You are not the 1st female army soldier that I have actually heard that her unit did not keep track of her.
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I do the unsat packets at my unit. They must attempt contact multiple times via phone and mail. Even as an E4 you are responsible for your career, that being said going to drill and advocating with your side of the story will help you greatly in most cases. You have an opportunity to salvage this especially hearing of your medical issue.
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WOW! And I thought the Corps was sometimes screwed up on regular active duty. Glad I never experienced what you've had to deal with. Not something that I would routinely recommend, but... I have heard that some folks have gotten good results by contacting their Senator's office and asking that they help out. Sometimes this gets the top brass involved enough to iron out the nonsense. Wish there was a guarantee that it would end up that way. I have absolutely no experience with reserves or National Guard. Good luck. Hang in there.
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I’ve tried to go back a while and read the threads on this. I did not see anyone address the real problem with the Guard and Reserves when it comes to this subject. That problem is; it’s all a numbers game. Let me explain.
Every reserve components unit is evaluated on their strength and deployability at least once a year. This establishes the money allocated to the units for training and deployments. If a unit is below a certain percentage, that unit is considered non deployable and thus not considered an asset until the numbers come up. Money and pride. Units regularly hold on to unsatisfactory performers to show the unit is above the percentage of strength required. Poor leadership will play the game played on this soldier to try to preserve their year end strength level. An unsat is routinely defined as someone who doesn’t show up for nine drills; one drill is a four hour block so for one weekend, you receive 4 drills which equates to four days pay. Thus, two months absence plus a third months opening absence and you can be listed as a unsat performer. In a good unit, that third month would automatically trigger a transfer to the IRR for a RC soldier which for a State Guard unit would generate a discharge of some type. Each State’s Guard is an independent organization of the State and thus your membership is in the State of ... National Guard with duel membership in the federal Army Reserve. The guard, a stare organization, can discharge a soldier from the state guard and that soldier, if still within their initial 8 year contract, will be reassigned in that discharge status to the IRR. Absent something significant, that model is routinely followed. In many units, an analysis of the number of unsat a unit has can show a poor leadership ability In a unit a cause leadership to be relieved.
From there, the soldier can go to a recruiter and request a transfer from the IRR into another reserve unit after an interview with the accepting unit. Once assigned, the soldier is on the path to a honorable discharge or, a full career. (I believe the the general dIs charge is nullified at the end of the soldier's contract and a DD Form 214 will only show last period of service). The people that this hurts is the recruiters (as well as the individual soldier). A recruiter can only recruit against current vacancies. By retaining non performers, recruiters are limited in their options when interviewing people for a reserve/guard unit. They also need to hand carry an applicant to a unit for an interview prior to facilitating a transfer from the IRR. Because of the lack of desire by a unit to see their end strength go down, this is not put out to soldiers and a lot of soldiers become highly disillusioned by the Reserve and Guard.
So, what this soldiers been caught in is military politics at its worse. If she has caught in with another unit, make sure the communication process is documented to establish the correct reasons for not being present for duty.
Every reserve components unit is evaluated on their strength and deployability at least once a year. This establishes the money allocated to the units for training and deployments. If a unit is below a certain percentage, that unit is considered non deployable and thus not considered an asset until the numbers come up. Money and pride. Units regularly hold on to unsatisfactory performers to show the unit is above the percentage of strength required. Poor leadership will play the game played on this soldier to try to preserve their year end strength level. An unsat is routinely defined as someone who doesn’t show up for nine drills; one drill is a four hour block so for one weekend, you receive 4 drills which equates to four days pay. Thus, two months absence plus a third months opening absence and you can be listed as a unsat performer. In a good unit, that third month would automatically trigger a transfer to the IRR for a RC soldier which for a State Guard unit would generate a discharge of some type. Each State’s Guard is an independent organization of the State and thus your membership is in the State of ... National Guard with duel membership in the federal Army Reserve. The guard, a stare organization, can discharge a soldier from the state guard and that soldier, if still within their initial 8 year contract, will be reassigned in that discharge status to the IRR. Absent something significant, that model is routinely followed. In many units, an analysis of the number of unsat a unit has can show a poor leadership ability In a unit a cause leadership to be relieved.
From there, the soldier can go to a recruiter and request a transfer from the IRR into another reserve unit after an interview with the accepting unit. Once assigned, the soldier is on the path to a honorable discharge or, a full career. (I believe the the general dIs charge is nullified at the end of the soldier's contract and a DD Form 214 will only show last period of service). The people that this hurts is the recruiters (as well as the individual soldier). A recruiter can only recruit against current vacancies. By retaining non performers, recruiters are limited in their options when interviewing people for a reserve/guard unit. They also need to hand carry an applicant to a unit for an interview prior to facilitating a transfer from the IRR. Because of the lack of desire by a unit to see their end strength go down, this is not put out to soldiers and a lot of soldiers become highly disillusioned by the Reserve and Guard.
So, what this soldiers been caught in is military politics at its worse. If she has caught in with another unit, make sure the communication process is documented to establish the correct reasons for not being present for duty.
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