Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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MAJ Mark Steskal
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1. Guard Members CAN be subject to all that the UCMJ has to offer, including Article 15. It is easier to simply give you an Administrative or some other discharge. But if you don't return all of your gear, you will be on the hook for the cost (which is substantial) I know because I was involved in processing somewhere around a hundred cases for the state I was in.
2.Take responsibility: that means you learn the regs yourself (Guard members are notorious for quoting non-existent regulation to justify saying no).
3. Beyond a certain distance, there is generally a hardship clause for travel to drill. It can be difficult to put into effect. There is also what is known as an "Interstate Transfer," where your drill state becomes the state you live in. Negotiating that would likely mean that the state you want to drill in has the openings for you and you don't represent a future problem child.
4. I can recall one PFC on the drill floor for the APFT, who struggled to do one situp, and then fell back and feigned crying after 15 seconds of his two minutes. He was on the Weight Control Program, remedial PT, etc. He had presumably graduated from Boot Camp being able to do the minimum, but gotten to where he was by his own choices. I understand it is different with medical conditions (since I have had my own) but much of where we go depends on making good choices apart from the conditions that we cannot control.
5. What are the lessons you will take away from this experience to make you future easier?
Consider this fatherly advice from an old retired Enlisted to Commissioned guy who stumbled through some pitfalls in his career with the advice and mentor-ship of some really good men and women in the Services.
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SP5 Derick Johnsohne
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just reading it, it looks like a total snafu
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HN Ty Jaillite
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Sounds somewhat close to what I had going on with my lousy ass CoC back in 2015/2016 at JBSA FSH. I was on profile and LLD for a failing core and was referring to the SIT clinic for physical therapy. My physical therapist, a retired 8404 HMCM, gave me a no PT chit. I gave said chit to an EN2 that was in charge of my class and he never passed that on to the other NMTIs. When EMC, kept seeing me absent from PT, he referred me to DRB, the DRB gave me an EMI that took place DURING the physical therapy. My physical therapy was from 0400-0630 MWF and the EMI was scheduled to be done MWF at 0600. Anyways, missed the Wednesday EMI and was immediately referred to captains mast. From there, the captain said that I forged the documents and bribed the army medical officers and my physical therapist. I was an E3 at that time. I was hit with an AWOL, failure to obey lawful order and regulation, the catch all 134 and she tried bringing me up on bribery but it failed. I demanded a court marshal for the case which was denied. I was told that I was being knocked from E3 to E1, was getting 45/45 and half pay x2 months and at the end of which I was to be discharged from active duty. She tried to push for a dishonorable discharge and couldn’t get anything lower than a General under honorable conditions discharge. And then to add insult to injury, she gave me an RE-4 and a JK-A on my DD214. I can’t reenlist, I’ve tried having the codes changed and all of my appeals have been laughed at.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Oh goodness! I am so sorry for what you had gone through, that is totally uncalled for and bullshit on their part. I hope your life has turned out much better after all that. Usually they do. We both have learning experiences from our cases. I'll never take anything verbally said to me at face value. Even though I have recently ETSd, I still question my superiors if what they say doesn't make sense.
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CW3 Michael Clifford
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You may want to consider going into the reserves and become a member of the individual ready reserve (IRR) and drill alone with the active duty MPs at Fort Leonard Wood. Since it is also the schoolhouse for the MPs, it will give you the opportunity to volunteer for various leadership and MP specific courses, like the protective services courses. Some may be over 2 weeks and length but with some cooperative civilian employers, you could drill longer and complete the courses.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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I wish I had seen this a few years ago. I may have done it. Haha. Thank you Chief.
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CSM Jim Corrin
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Talk to a JAG lawyer.
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CSM Jim Corrin
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Did you ever receive any certified mail notifying you of AT orders or "U" letters?
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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CSM Jim Corrin No, I never received anything of the sort. I had all my mail forwarded, so I should have, correct? With that being said, I don't think they even bothered.
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CSM Jim Corrin
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Unless the regulations have changed or your states NG bureau has different procedures, You should have received a registered letter concerning unexcused drill attendance. You would have had to signed for the correspondence. When I was a 1SG, I sent theses registered letters out at the end of each months MUTA.
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CPL Barrie     D Davey
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Serving Soldier. Great your country needs to know it can depend on you. Commit a crime, for which you have to serve time, and or be absent from duty, knowingly or not, render yourself unfit for duty in any way. You are guilty of letting your country and your comrades in arms down, probably when they need you most.
Charged first, for making yourself unfit for duty, then depending on severity. Discharged, your OUT,, Your country needs people it can TRUST and RELY on, NOW,,, not in x number of weeks. or when it suites you.

As for postings you go where you are sent, at any time. I had to leave the country 6 days away from the date my wife was due to have our child. In fact she had it while I was on my way, probably in the aircraft. Asking to be posted to somewhere you might like, never heard of, even today as far as I know.
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CPL Barrie     D Davey
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Serving Soldier. Great we need you. Commit a crime, for which you have to serve time, and be absent from duty, or Render yourself unfit for duty in any way.
Charged first, then depending on severity. Discharged, your OUT,, and charged for making yourself unfit for duty, no ifs or buts you country needs people it can RELY on, NOW not in x number of weeks.
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CPL Barrie     D Davey
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Serving Soilder. Fine, get pregnant or render yourself unfit for duty in any way. Discharge, Yoiur OUT and charged for making yourself unfit for duty, no if's or buts you country needs people it can RELY on, NOW not in x number of weeks.
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SPC Nils Hammer
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I wish we could have a secret agent give the platoon sgt an article 15 for failure to perform simple basic admin tasks. I have always been bad at this stuff, army owes me for multiple failures. Number one has to be gathering any relevant info, and written stuff telling you what to do, maybe travel info proving that you saw him in August. Next would be finding allies, like a competent honest company or battalion level admin. As I said before, I am no good at this.
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SGT Joseph Alanzo
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YES YOU CAN
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