Posted on Sep 25, 2021
Can my unit send me to NTC if I am non-deployable due to being chaptered and not having a family care plan?
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So i just want to keep this simple and i dont want to argue, just advice.
ill go if i have to, been there once but I am confused
If i refused a FCP because my wife is enrolled in efmp and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures. My wife has left post due to inability to her not getting the help she needs under efmp, so we decided it was best for our son and her to go home. Meanwhile my PL has told me the intent is to not send me to NTC with the Unit. If we are going to NTC, and I am non deployable for two reasons, one for not having a FCP, and two Im getting administratively discharged doesn't that mean they CANT send me to NTC.
Does anybody have answers?
ill go if i have to, been there once but I am confused
If i refused a FCP because my wife is enrolled in efmp and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures. My wife has left post due to inability to her not getting the help she needs under efmp, so we decided it was best for our son and her to go home. Meanwhile my PL has told me the intent is to not send me to NTC with the Unit. If we are going to NTC, and I am non deployable for two reasons, one for not having a FCP, and two Im getting administratively discharged doesn't that mean they CANT send me to NTC.
Does anybody have answers?
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So, you're saying you can't go to NTC because your spouse and child are somewhere else?
You are not a mandatory category for a family care plan, there is also no reason to believe that you need an FCP because your spouse doesn't drive. Lots of people have spouse's who don't or can't drive.
Not having a FCP doesn't mean you can't deploy, that's for people who have nobody to take care of their children while they are deployed. There is no reason that you would be non deployable.
Whoever told you that being processed for separation means you can't go to NTC, has no idea what they're talking about. The only time you won't go to NTC is once your separation is already approved and you have your separation orders in hand.
You are not a mandatory category for a family care plan, there is also no reason to believe that you need an FCP because your spouse doesn't drive. Lots of people have spouse's who don't or can't drive.
Not having a FCP doesn't mean you can't deploy, that's for people who have nobody to take care of their children while they are deployed. There is no reason that you would be non deployable.
Whoever told you that being processed for separation means you can't go to NTC, has no idea what they're talking about. The only time you won't go to NTC is once your separation is already approved and you have your separation orders in hand.
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SPC Dasan Toney you might want to educate yourself at some point. Your NCOs, 1SG, and PSG do not have any authority over your separation. The military can't "gut their way into your family life" by having a family care plan. In fact, you might want to actually look up a FCP to see what it entails. You can't be kicked out by creating a family care plan when you aren't required to have one. If your Command wants to separate you, they don't need you to create a FCP, that's some barracks lawyer rationale.
As for your flag, you get flagged for separation the moment your packet is submitted. It can take months to a year to separate you, your separation can still be disapproved. Your command obviously doesn't need you to create a FCP to try to separate you since that's already happening.
Nobody is talking about your spouse having a job, we're talking about you having a job saying that you can't wait rk because your spouse can't drive. You're basically saying that because your spouse can't drive and your leadership wants you to have a FCP, you can't comply and can't be in the Army. What's your plan when you're a civilian employee? Just tell your boss you can't work? Quit if that doesn't work for your next boss? I'm sure that's a good plan to feed your family.
I've worked in combat arms and Infantry for most of my career so I get it, you think everyone is out to screw you, your NCOs have unlimited power, you're smarter than everyone else because you read a blurb somewhere in a regulation, and that you can reestablish control over your own life by making a different decision than what everyone is telling you. I get it, I see it all the time as people make bad decisions. You can literally just go and make a family care plan and (assuming that's the only reason you're being separated) continue to have a paycheck and free health care for your family. Or you can decide that you're right, we're all trying to screw you over and with out 40+ years of combined Army experience we have no clue what we're talking about, and for the rest of your life you can complain about how the Army screwed you. Personally, I put my family first and make the decisions that are in their best interest. But, it's your career, your family, and your choice
As for your flag, you get flagged for separation the moment your packet is submitted. It can take months to a year to separate you, your separation can still be disapproved. Your command obviously doesn't need you to create a FCP to try to separate you since that's already happening.
Nobody is talking about your spouse having a job, we're talking about you having a job saying that you can't wait rk because your spouse can't drive. You're basically saying that because your spouse can't drive and your leadership wants you to have a FCP, you can't comply and can't be in the Army. What's your plan when you're a civilian employee? Just tell your boss you can't work? Quit if that doesn't work for your next boss? I'm sure that's a good plan to feed your family.
I've worked in combat arms and Infantry for most of my career so I get it, you think everyone is out to screw you, your NCOs have unlimited power, you're smarter than everyone else because you read a blurb somewhere in a regulation, and that you can reestablish control over your own life by making a different decision than what everyone is telling you. I get it, I see it all the time as people make bad decisions. You can literally just go and make a family care plan and (assuming that's the only reason you're being separated) continue to have a paycheck and free health care for your family. Or you can decide that you're right, we're all trying to screw you over and with out 40+ years of combined Army experience we have no clue what we're talking about, and for the rest of your life you can complain about how the Army screwed you. Personally, I put my family first and make the decisions that are in their best interest. But, it's your career, your family, and your choice
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SPC (Join to see)
SPC Dasan Toney I have to go with what SFC (Join to see) and SFC Kelly Fuerhoff are preaching here. Additionally, you should consider reaching out to your local JAG because it sounds like you or some people in your AO have been given some bad info.
If you have been officially noticed for separation, contact Trial Defense Services. If you have not been noticed for anything, contact your Legal Assistance Office or Brigade Legal Office, or even the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate and request an appointment for legal advice regarding FPC and separations.
If you have been officially noticed for separation, contact Trial Defense Services. If you have not been noticed for anything, contact your Legal Assistance Office or Brigade Legal Office, or even the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate and request an appointment for legal advice regarding FPC and separations.
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SSG Dave Johnston
So how many of the commentators caught this line: "... my wife is enrolled in EFMP and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures."; and since it is not mentioned as to how old the child is??? leaving us to assume that some kind of 'Home Health Care professional and transportation to and from medical appointments may be needed while the soldier in deployed to NTC... The Soldier in question had to send his wife to either his or her parents for assistance with her medical condition and care for their son... Coordinating a FCP for an EFMP is a nightmare and requires constant monitoring by the sponsor and PCP to ensure that adequate care is provided. The last thing both the soldier and command need is a Red Cross message while the soldier is in the middle of the "Sand Box" informing the soldier that "_X_" has occurred and he needs to return to Ft _______ . I'm not sure if TRICARE would cover the cost of the In Home Health Care worker 24/7 while he's deployed to NTC, and having one of their family members join their household to help is a separate DEERS nightmare.
Aahh, the joys of twenty + years as "Doc", you get to learn these things.
To the Soldier, I hope your wife's condition improves, and I sorry that your time in the Army is cut short...
Aahh, the joys of twenty + years as "Doc", you get to learn these things.
To the Soldier, I hope your wife's condition improves, and I sorry that your time in the Army is cut short...
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Can your unit send you? Yes. They can. Will they? That's another question in itself. Now, your PL said the INTENT is to not send you. Intent is different from execution. You need to keep in mind that until you have your separation orders in hand, they can send you. You also need to keep in mind that missions, even an NTC rotation mission, requires a percentage of personnel to accomplish. For example, the powers that be could dictate that a Commander needs to bring at least 80% strength of the unit. That means that at least 80% of the unit need to be on the manifest and BOG to accomplish all of the tasks set forth for the rotation. Since you don't need a FCP, that is now a moot point because your wife is not present and is living at home...which I am guessing is a location where hers and/or your family is located. Therefore, she has assistance. What matters is your pending chapter and the ETA for your discharge orders to be in hand in comparison to lift off to NTC.
What you need to do....or at least what I recommend, is you have a sit down with your platoon leadership along with your Commander and 1SG to see what your status is in regards to know if you will be on the rotation manifest or not. If they say you are on the manifest, then pack your bags and prepare for 30 days in the desert box.
What you need to do....or at least what I recommend, is you have a sit down with your platoon leadership along with your Commander and 1SG to see what your status is in regards to know if you will be on the rotation manifest or not. If they say you are on the manifest, then pack your bags and prepare for 30 days in the desert box.
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SPC Dasan Toney
MSG (Join to see) oh I'm ready for that shit if I do go. I never said I wasn't. I just asked a simple question to people who may have the answer. Thanks
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MSG (Join to see)
SPC Dasan Toney - What I am saying is that you need to confirm with your Commander if you are going or not. Again, the LT saying the INTENT is to not send you. Your Commander is the only one that can give you a definitive answer.
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As a past Platoon Sergeant I can tell you that your CMDR has ever right to send you to NTC. You can be used as a guard, office personnel, or anything he/she needs you for. I have had a few in the past that believed the “Shithouse Lawyer.” Not sure why you are being separated but as long as you have not been identified as a person suffering from a mental disorder you are as deplorable as your battle buddy. It is very concerning that your family being part of your unit was given no support. All soldiers must have a FCP prior to deployment as directed by your CDR. Not sure why you decided not to follow up with your PL on that because they are normally the ones who coordinate with other family members to assist when you are unable to be. I have no clue who you are or why you are being separated but something tells me that there is more to this then you are letting us in on. Hope this helps.
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No, your unit can still send you. NTC is not considered a deployment, but a training exercise.
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A family care plan is for single parents and dual military. It is not required for anyone that falls outside of those two categories.
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SPC Dasan Toney
Have you ready the Army Command Policy on FCPs? It does say in there that if I significant other of a loved one cannot take care of herself/himself then a family care plan is mandatory. Commands have loopholes
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SPC Dasan Toney I also read the other comments and realized your family isn't with you so it still doesn't apply to you. Good luck
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SGT (Join to see)
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff thanks for the regulation. My unit is going on a lot of missions and when I asked about FCP my 1SG said I didn't need one because my spouse is a civilian. He told me it was required for single parents and dual military only. I'm happy I am now aware of the full regulation.
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I’m going to answer this question probably the best way I know how. It really and truly depends on your CSM. If your CSM wants to drag all the chapters and profiles to NTC, you are going period, full stop. I have seen people with less than 30 days remaining after they got back from NTC go and get put on every miserable detail know to god and country simply because someone told a CSM he couldn’t send the chapter cases to NTC. Hell hath no fury like an E9 being told he can’t do something.
I don’t know your personal details or why or how you are getting chaptered out of the Army, but until the buses line up and leave without you I would not trust anything anyone says about whether you are going to NTC or not, unless you are physically clearing ost with orders in hand.
I don’t know your personal details or why or how you are getting chaptered out of the Army, but until the buses line up and leave without you I would not trust anything anyone says about whether you are going to NTC or not, unless you are physically clearing ost with orders in hand.
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