Posted on Feb 2, 2024
Can older military weapons be brought out to be used in a major war?
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CPT Lawrence Cable
My mind went there too. My other thought, if they are calling me back, we are freaking losing.
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LTC Trent Klug
CPT Lawrence Cable I'd give it my best shot, but I'm 'almost no speed, high drag' now.
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Yes ... and No. What do you mean by "Older"?
If are referring to "older versions", there is a high likelihood you could reuse them without months of overhaul IF the components hadn't change from what's in the logistics system. For example, we have M1 Abrams tanks in storage, but they have a 105mm main gun while the M1A1 and M1A2 use a 120mm main gun.
If you mean systems that haven't been used for a while ... that would almost be like using a system you captured on the battlefield. I'm sure the service members who haven't used it before could figure it out if it's akin to something they use, but sustainment and repair are completely different issues.
So ... theoretically yes and theoretically no. It all depends on which system you are referring to.
If are referring to "older versions", there is a high likelihood you could reuse them without months of overhaul IF the components hadn't change from what's in the logistics system. For example, we have M1 Abrams tanks in storage, but they have a 105mm main gun while the M1A1 and M1A2 use a 120mm main gun.
If you mean systems that haven't been used for a while ... that would almost be like using a system you captured on the battlefield. I'm sure the service members who haven't used it before could figure it out if it's akin to something they use, but sustainment and repair are completely different issues.
So ... theoretically yes and theoretically no. It all depends on which system you are referring to.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Having carried a 20" M16 in Afghanistan everyday my personal favorite is the 16" M1A tanker. It is seventy years old and still a really good rifle. Not as modular as the M4 but is much more lethal if out of ammo and in close quarters combat.
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SPC Joel Carter Sr
ANY SYSTEM CAPTURED, I THINK COULD BE USED UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF AMMO. AN M14 OW AN M1 WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME
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CPT Arch Nissel
This is the 1911 and 16 1/4 inch barreled M-14 I carried in Iraq in 2003. We were allowed to modify any part of them we wanted (except the receivers). The barrel on the M-14 was cut to 16 1/4 inches and the gas port opened up to allow full auto with the shorter barrel. Of the 350 1911s we got from DEPO I rebuilt 25 of them to match grade with night sights.
So YES anything still in storage can be requested by a military unit for use.
So YES anything still in storage can be requested by a military unit for use.
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Depends on the weapon. Some are no longer usable or the system that was used to fire them isn't available. And some require training because few on active duty now understand how to use them.
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Interesting question. I can tell you that in war, whatever Soldiers can get their hands on is whatever they will use. That's what history shows us.
Personally, I keep hoping to stumble across an old Davy Crockett and it's recoilless rifle in the back of some motor pool somewhere...
Personally, I keep hoping to stumble across an old Davy Crockett and it's recoilless rifle in the back of some motor pool somewhere...
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SGT Brian Jarvi
Have you ever seen a Duster work? You could hide behind a rock pile and that thing would chew through and turn you into pate’
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Yes, the Army even keeps track of the tanks are on display in front of VFWs in case we need them back.
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SGT Brian Jarvi
Before Desert Storm the army took the 105’s back that they used in the Rockies for clearing avalanches.
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Sure. It happens all the time. Depending on context some things like the A-10, 50 cal and B-52 have outlived their expected lifespan by several decades. The BLU-82 daisy cutter was used in Vietnam and recently as the GWOT. Some things just stick around and never completely leave because it is unique and scratches a specific itch. Like the U2. It is one of the weirdest aircraft ever and shouldn't work for a bunch of quirks it has but it is still around since being introduced in 1956. Another example would be the Civilian Marksmanship Program that is used as a release valve for the Government to offload old equipment being removed from the governments inventory. They are still offloading M1's that are still on the books. That means everything that came Post Korean War till now is still somewhere.
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really SPC?- look at Korea, Vietnam and everything since- no everybody gets the new toys, so you use what you have on hand! If it killed folks 50 yrs ago, then it probably will still kill them if used properly.
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Yes they could, the reality would be why, as we move on no longer training on nor stockpileing old weapons systems.
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M14 is still 8in limited use, 45 too. .38 just was completely retired and Ma Deice is over 100 years old. Yes.
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