Posted on Dec 10, 2017
Can Post Traumatic Stress Disorder ("PTSD") develop in non-combat situations? Can fighting against actions of fraud, waste and abuse?
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Fighting against his poor and negligent leadership, on each and every step of his assignment, in almost a decade and a half of active service, an officer was errantly discharged to cover-up the mistakes of his leadership, clear thru to GOs. Fighting the system; this officer was diagnosed with PTSD. Was this diagnosis another cover-up or can PTSD develop in peacetime?
Mental Health
PTSD
Commanders
Legal Services
Fraud
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It can fully develop under many Situations. I know a veteran who was subjected to severe beatings as a junior enlisted, back in the age of "fan room discipline".. In subsequent years he had mental health difficulties. He was actually in patient at a va hospital for potential suicide attempt when he was discharged. He attempted 2 tines for help, and was granted social security disability. When I learned the story, I encouraged him to apply again, after being denied. After record keepers said his medical record did not exist, telling it to us senators, the records did not exist. It took a freedom of information act to get them found after 5 years. He received unemployability with 5 years retroactive from that third application. It actually should have been back to his first application years earlier.
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You don't even have to be in the military to suffer from PTSD. Any type of stressful situation with a prolonged effect can cause it from getting a divorce to the death of a family member.
Now whether the situation you described is actually PTSD or not is a separate matter.
Now whether the situation you described is actually PTSD or not is a separate matter.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
SSG (Join to see); one of my very first lessons in the Army was the Army Officer Code of Conduct, which to me were three parts of the 10 commandments in the Bible at the time. I kept trying to relate these codes into real military life, but then there was another Code introduced just to confuse the already confused. This Code stipulates that every leader must lead with honesty, integrity and selfless service. Okay; thou shalt not lie means leaders must be honest in every aspect of life. Thou shalt not cheat or steal from another means thou shalt have integrity beyond reproach and; thou shalt not allow others to do so either means selfless service. Why repeat the same Commandments using separate Codes in the Army?
According to the Command, the soldier must be psychotic or manic for submitting an IG complaint against his CoC. The Command claims that the soldier submitted a 130 + page Complaint, but evidence proves the Complaint was only eight pages. The Command claims that the soldier submitted his Complaint to several IGs in the DC area, but yet only one Complaint exists in the files to the USAIG. So; what is the measure of honesty or thou shalt not lie in this context of this case and; what is the perceived intent of such fabrication in the Army?
According to the Command, the soldier must be psychotic or manic for submitting an IG complaint against his CoC. The Command claims that the soldier submitted a 130 + page Complaint, but evidence proves the Complaint was only eight pages. The Command claims that the soldier submitted his Complaint to several IGs in the DC area, but yet only one Complaint exists in the files to the USAIG. So; what is the measure of honesty or thou shalt not lie in this context of this case and; what is the perceived intent of such fabrication in the Army?
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PTSD can be — and is — experienced by a significant number of non-combatant victims of abuse, period, end of story! Not every victim does, but it is FAR more frequent than the general public is aware of.
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PTSD can manifest with any form of trauma: combat, accidents, assault, abuse, natural disasters, witnessing trauma, or being told of trauma. PTSD can and does develop in peacetime. I refer you to DSM-5, where you will find a comprehensive definition of as well as an explanation of potential causes.
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Trauma can cause PTSD, period. Been in life threatening situations twice, once heads first off a motorcycle at 55MPH, second at 70MPH a Bobcat coming at me that fell off a trailer. I relive those at least once a month, cold sweats and all. I suspect EVERYBODY does. I can see where someone in a position of authority, he/she cannot handle but who has a sense of their own failures and a conscience could relive their could have's, would have's, should have's for the rest of their life. Now, should you get a disability rating for that. In my opinion, NO.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
A personal opinion your's is PFC Stephen Trynosky; depends on whether trauma happened in military service. Your bobcat trauma is a personal and, not a military experience, I gather.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
Consider this PFC Stephen Trynosky.
A soldier is singled out by his Commander and threatened with a wrath to ruin his livelihood, unless the soldier resigns from service. This threat will be etched in the soldier's memory for life.
The soldier doesn't resign, but chooses to fight against this prejudice, but he finds himself fighting an institution and, not his errant Commander.
Will this experience affect this soldier and his life?
A soldier is singled out by his Commander and threatened with a wrath to ruin his livelihood, unless the soldier resigns from service. This threat will be etched in the soldier's memory for life.
The soldier doesn't resign, but chooses to fight against this prejudice, but he finds himself fighting an institution and, not his errant Commander.
Will this experience affect this soldier and his life?
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PFC Stephen Trynosky
Yep. In the Civil Service world had it happen to me. Worked Civil Service for NYC and I went against the grain of more than a few folks. Caused me problems with promotions and punitive transfers. called on the carpet by no less than Deputy Commissioner for actually doing the right thing. Now what I always made damn sure of in my 21 year career was that I NEVER gave them cause to bring me up on charges and NEVER fell below but always exceeded my expected performance goals. Once or twice I was downgraded on 6 month performance evaluations but appealed them and overturned them each time. One of the nice things about bureaucracy is that you can use their rules against them. Cannot say the same about private employment where, if they don't like your hair color one day......you are gone!
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Must have missed it, Who, what, when, you know the stuff that goes with the story as proof, or at least some slander would be a start. Very light on the information for such a heavy subject. Just my suggestion, want real responses, get some meat and potatoes in this story.
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Would have to be something that shocks you to your core. An especially traumatic relationship can do it ... Manifesting it's muscle spasms.
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Yes. It can develop during peace time but I believe that it is a different kind of diagnosis
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