Posted on Dec 10, 2017
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Fighting against his poor and negligent leadership, on each and every step of his assignment, in almost a decade and a half of active service, an officer was errantly discharged to cover-up the mistakes of his leadership, clear thru to GOs. Fighting the system; this officer was diagnosed with PTSD. Was this diagnosis another cover-up or can PTSD develop in peacetime?
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MAJ Jim Hollingsworth
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Yes it can, the same as for any civilian in a situation causing a significant emotional event.

I startle. I have done so for over 30 years and didn't understand why until recently. In May 1983 two of my Soldiers were seriously injured in an electrical explosion that occurred approximately ten feet behind me. Whenever I am focused on something or unaware someone is behind me even a quiet whisper causes a a reaction.
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A1C John Reese
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Just what is PTSD? A response to an event that one is either emotionally or psychologically prepared to handle? I didn't get it for a while, but growing up with WWII vets all around and watching families deal with Vietnam while I was in school, I saw patterns. My uncle was a top turret gunner/flight engineer on a B-17, and never talked about his experiences. When he did talk, it was at the VFW with fellow vets. He finally opened up to my older sister who used his experiences to write a history of the war from his perspective. He brought out photos he had taken twenty years earlier and that had sat in boxes all that time, never seeing the light of day. During a lot of those "study sessions" he would just stop talking and start crying.
Many years later while starting a family of my own we lost our youngest son at birth, and that mentality of "Suck it up cause you're the man of the house" meant the raw emotions were shoved away for later, never dealt with in a realistic way. They came back to the surface some twenty years later while back at school for a career change, covering US history and subjects that brought back my own memories. It didn't help that I'd been recently in an accident, and my son had run over a cyclist who ran a stop sign, memories have a way of being just as fresh "today" as they were from the past. Nope, not service related. Not even close. But who is really prepared for the worst? Looking back at how my uncle had kept his secrets for all those years I can more fully understand what it's like. The actual cause could be almost anything, from personal loss, injury on or off duty, or whatever events take us on that mental trip we're not prepared for. To be quite honest, I wouldn't be able to write this without some very serious help from some great people on campus. Starting with our dean of students and other professionals who help students deal with the stress of learning.
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Tina Whitman
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PTSD is a traumatic event that causes issues. It doesn't just have to be combat. Any type of abuse or violence can cause it or even something the person perceives as an attack that keeps replaying in their mind. Might not seem like much to someone else but to the affected person, it is a ptsd event.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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I totally agree with you Tina Whitman; PTSD might not be much to those that haven't experienced the effects of PTSD and to those who are not exposed to it. These persons believe that many of those that suffer from PTSD appear to be bluffing the system. I do understand that corruption is all around us and a few may cheat the system, but I also do believe that crimes never pay because criminals will always slip and get caught, get charged, and then get punished by the systems they cheated. Time will come when our corrupt leadership will pay for their sins. Thanks Tina.
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CSM Charles Hayden
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Edited 6 y ago
Nightmares thirty years after retiring from a toxic employment represent a form of PTSD!! CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana Having a Patrol Cap, size 7-5/8 nearby, reduces other nightnares.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Well said CSM; however, the nightmare of battling against a corrupt system far overweighs the head gear nearby today. Today; there is a need for change and only veterans can influence such changes.
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Patrick J Salem
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PTSD isn’t a condition limited to combat. Any life-threatening event can result in a person developing PTSD. Which I guess begs the question, how much of the above-described “fight” led this person to feel as though their life was at risk. I taught middle school on the South Side of Chicago, and many of those kids exhibited the symptoms of PTSD from living in neighborhoods with high murder and gang violence rates. I worked with non-combat vets who were victims of MST, and they had PTSD. I know corrections officers who have PTSD from working in jails/prisons.

The thing that I would be interested in discovering is why you and I could have the same experience that results in one of us developing PTSD but not the other one. Because if we can figure that out before combat, many, many veterans and their families could have better lives.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Let's investigate this together.
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Sgt Erle Mutz
Sgt Erle Mutz
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To DO that Patrick ("why you and I could have the same experience that results in one of us developing PTSD but not the other one") every person who is entering the military would have to have a complete and DEEP mental evaluation, including extensive testing. That would be lead to so much 'man-hour' expense by the govt, that it would be "rejected" as being too excessive and therefore could not be an acceptable tool to ferret out"who "would" or who "would not" be more "likely" to be affected by a traumatic event, that would lead then to PTSD (which would lead to even MORE expense after the fact).
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SSG Brian G.
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Can PTSD develop outside of Combat? Yes. This has been shown to be the case with Firefighters, Police Officers, and even victims of car crashes. Basically PTSD is a catch all mental disorder that can manifest anywhere there is trauma that the mind cannot handle. The mind is tricky as some have significant barriers and fortitude while some seemingly do not.
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SSgt Dr. David Leffler
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Veterans of the wars in Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) found significant relief from their symptoms as a result of practicing the Transcendental Meditation® technique, according to a new study published recently in Military Medicine.
The 41 veterans and 5 active-duty soldiers in the study had been diagnosed with clinical levels of PTSD. After one month, 87 percent had a clinically significant decrease of more than 10 points. The reduction was so great that 37 participants had their symptoms reduced to below the clinical level for PTSD.

Source: https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article-abstract/183/1-2/e144/4781643?redirectedFrom=fulltext
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MSG John Duchesneau
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The only "qualification" to get PTS is to have a traumatic experience. It can be a car accident, sexual assault, a hostile work environment or a natural disaster. Remember - many combat Veterans have PTS but not everyone who has PTS is a combat Veteran.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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MSG you are as good as monosodium glutamate in foods; you have made complex issues very easy to comprehend, plan and execute in order to achieve success; this is true selfless service ladies and gents on RP. Thanks MSG John Duchesneau.
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Sgt Erle Mutz
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All do respect MSG, a person does not have to "have" a traumatic event "happen to them". They can just be an innocent 'eye witness' to a traumatic event. Even just 'seeing' something happen to someone else (not even related to them) on TV or a 'streaming media' could also trigger something 'inside' them which may frighten them to the point of the trauma becoming attached to the mind's memory banks. This event could also cause or lead to causing PTSD, in that person.
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SGT Albert Melise
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Yes you can get it in non combat situations. I got it in GTMO Cuba for taking part in torture of detainees. Also female soldiers can get it when being raped or sexually assaulted.. In a civilian side as well for many traumatic events in life..
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Exactly; this is what VA must understand when deciding disability, I feel. The military must accept that many will become victims of traumatic experience, but that their futures cannot be forgotten like trash and caring for its own is a part of its responsibility.
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PO3 Michael James
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CPT Gurinder, Sir; I have no idea.. Non-combat situations ?? All I can say is that if you suffer from life-threating issues and all you get is denials, after denials... If you request help from our Government reference FOIA, and our own Government denies you this information.. Well this is a Non-Combat situation, however, this is VERY stressful, and Extremely depressing.. The FOIA information I requested was what type of aircraft I was on !!! This is NOT a threat to national security... They refuse to answer this !!! Is this how the government honors its Veterans ?? With Respect..
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Honor appears to have separate meaning for different people in service and PTSD, although stress can develop in non-combatant situation, gets tagged as cheating the system. I have been told by the USAIG that beliefs carry more weight than real evidence in the Army and thru beliefs the Army can deny complainants fair justice. Is this true or false? Transparency is a problem.
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