Posted on Feb 14, 2021
Can senior NCO’s make soldiers drive from home to a duty during harsh conditions such as frozen roads?
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Is there a regulation on this kind of stuff. I understand that a duty must be preformed such as CQ and Staff Duty. However in my mind it’s very dangerous to have soldiers who live 15+ minutes away from post to preform such duties when they can have someone who lives on base preform it. And have their duties switched up. Is there any regulation on this.
Posted 5 y ago
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I think so. I was a Buck and there was ice on road. I did a 360 on road at McChord. Called in but if I had to walk in I would. I was excused for the day. But again if they said come in I would have walked.
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You are required when living off base to have a transportation vehicle that can get you to base no matter what the weather. No excuses. The Military is not grade school. You are the one people depend upon when shit gets real. Buck up and quit complaining and buy a 4X4 vehicle if you don't have one.
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when you have Duty, you Know this well in advance. so you should make preparation in advance of the Storm.
this can be as simple as talking to a fellow shipmate or Battle buddy to see if the storm hits and prevents you from being able to come in, you will call that person, who will then take your duty, and you will switch and take one of his at a later date.
this of course shall be approved by your watch commander, in advance .
or you know there a possibility of the roads being unsafe to drive on in the AM, so you sleep on base, so you are there when the storm hits, and you do not have to drive in, so you are able to stand your duty.
what to many members forget we are on duty 24-7
any time off we are given is a Privilege Given to us by the Command . this is why any Injuries we Receive while playing, Is Consider a Active Duty INJURY .
I Remember when I was on Active Duty, It was my RESPONSIBILITY to make it in to the BASE FOR DUTY! If for any Reason I could Not make it In, it was still My Responsibility to find someone to cover my duty.
the Way I See it We all Know we have Duty well In ADVANCE , there is very little Excuse to to have found a Stand by or made other Arrangements .
the only time I would let a member slide was if they had a Last Min medical emergency.
Other Wise you have plenty of time to find some one to cover your duty.
this can be as simple as talking to a fellow shipmate or Battle buddy to see if the storm hits and prevents you from being able to come in, you will call that person, who will then take your duty, and you will switch and take one of his at a later date.
this of course shall be approved by your watch commander, in advance .
or you know there a possibility of the roads being unsafe to drive on in the AM, so you sleep on base, so you are there when the storm hits, and you do not have to drive in, so you are able to stand your duty.
what to many members forget we are on duty 24-7
any time off we are given is a Privilege Given to us by the Command . this is why any Injuries we Receive while playing, Is Consider a Active Duty INJURY .
I Remember when I was on Active Duty, It was my RESPONSIBILITY to make it in to the BASE FOR DUTY! If for any Reason I could Not make it In, it was still My Responsibility to find someone to cover my duty.
the Way I See it We all Know we have Duty well In ADVANCE , there is very little Excuse to to have found a Stand by or made other Arrangements .
the only time I would let a member slide was if they had a Last Min medical emergency.
Other Wise you have plenty of time to find some one to cover your duty.
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The UCMJ makes it to where you can face punishment for not showing up, regardless of reason. As a specialist, living off base is a privilege, NOT A RIGHT! You signed an agreement saying you would be responsible and show up for your duties under ANY circumstance, which implies you have a plan for doing so. Army regs may be different from Navy regs, but in general only NCOs are guaranteed housing. That is to prevent NCOs from getting involved in the crap that goes on in barracks and because they have earned that privilege. Also, even being married does not turn this privilege into a right. Why do you think, in a domestic situation, it is the servicemember who gets sent to the barracks while the dependents stay in the house? It is because YOU, not THEM, signed up for the military. At my last command, there was a married Army Specialist and a Navy Petty Officer Third Class (AN NCO) who were denied housing. Housing was provided for their dependents, ALL servicemembers below E7 were required to stay in barracks due to preparing for deployment. Sorry for the rant, but be grateful you even have housing in the military instead of the barracks. Those who have to endure the barracks have to endure a LOT MORE BS than simply driving in inclement weather.
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Unless Post has been closed and nonessential personal ordered to stay home then you must follow orders. Also do not assume that you are nonessential either, I did once while stationed at Fort Knox we had 18 inches of snow Post was closed all nonessential personnel where ordered to shelter in place. 0900 I get a phone call from the Battalion CSM, who then ask me why I was not at work? I told him the General put out post closed nonessential personal shelter in place. He then chewed me out for not being there I was the person responsible for all NCOER and OER being completed for turn in. I told the CSM the snow was up over the bumper on my car and I couldn’t get out of the parking lot if I wanted too. He then said SGT you live base put some cold weather gear on and get over here. I told yes CSM I would there as soon as possibly could. He then told to get ready his driver would pick me up in the HUMVEE he had chains on it and picked me up. Post was closed 3 days and I was at work for all 3 of them. So don’t assume you’re nonessential and don’t punish the guy who lives on post for you not coming I either.
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You are ultimately responsible to show up for your duty assignment. If you feel that you have a legitimate excuse for not being able to be at your duty station as ordered, you should use your chain of command to explain your dilemma. It is not right for you to assume that because soldier that may live on post
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SGT David Schrader
Continuation from previous post.
What I was getting at is that every soldier has his/her responsibility to show up for duty. It should never be assumed that just because you live off post that the CQ duty roster should only apply to those who live On Post.
It’s somewhat a privilege to be able to live off post but be aware that that does not relieve you of your on post duties.
Would you use the same excuse if your unit was called for a mobilization alert ?
What I was getting at is that every soldier has his/her responsibility to show up for duty. It should never be assumed that just because you live off post that the CQ duty roster should only apply to those who live On Post.
It’s somewhat a privilege to be able to live off post but be aware that that does not relieve you of your on post duties.
Would you use the same excuse if your unit was called for a mobilization alert ?
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Yes.
Or the 1SG can move you back in the barracks so you don;'t have that problem.
Or the 1SG can move you back in the barracks so you don;'t have that problem.
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Is it not possible that the Senior NCO also lives off base, post or whatever and already knows the conditions. I was stationed in Michigan, Nebraska and North Dakota. If I didn't go to my job when the weather or conditions are bad, I would have been absent a lot. Also dont most bases have abn "Essential Personnel Only" policy. That usually means the Senior NCOs. If they can get there so can you.
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