Posted on Feb 14, 2021
Can senior NCO’s make soldiers drive from home to a duty during harsh conditions such as frozen roads?
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Is there a regulation on this kind of stuff. I understand that a duty must be preformed such as CQ and Staff Duty. However in my mind it’s very dangerous to have soldiers who live 15+ minutes away from post to preform such duties when they can have someone who lives on base preform it. And have their duties switched up. Is there any regulation on this.
Posted 5 y ago
Responses: 133
1. Last I checked, most storms aren't discriminatory - they affect the base areas (post) and surrounding areas (ie, off-post) equally.
And, when I was in, my dorm room (AF favored "barracks billet") was considered my "home".
Therefore, my first counter question is: If it's "so unsafe" for the off-post SM to travel from "home" to "duty station", what's going to make it so much safer for the on-post SM to travel from "home" to "duty station"?
2. Again, last I checked, most Officers and NCOs (senior or not) expect their SMs to take "any means necessary" to both be in position to and to perform their duties. And aren't you Army types actually conditioned / trained to perform "long" (as in 15+ minutes of driving "long") marches in adverse weather conditions - and issued to gear to do so?
Therefore, second counter question: Why aren't you marching to your duty if usage of your POV is "unsafe"? (oh, for the record, the reason I said "all NCOs" is that my E5 SSGT told me that I was expected to use any and all methods to traverse the 2+ desert miles from my dorm room to my duty station on a "daily" basis - and if my POV was unavailable and I did not wish to use the unit-provided courtesy transportation, I was always able to walk ("march") to the building - in any weather condition.)
3. Apply the infamous "how would I feel" rule to the situation. If a SM 30+ minutes of driving time away was to "pull" the unsafe travel card, and TPTB decided that it was safe enough for you (and your 15+ minutes of travel time) to go in on short/no notice and tabbed you for the replacement duty, what would you expect to happen?
And, when I was in, my dorm room (AF favored "barracks billet") was considered my "home".
Therefore, my first counter question is: If it's "so unsafe" for the off-post SM to travel from "home" to "duty station", what's going to make it so much safer for the on-post SM to travel from "home" to "duty station"?
2. Again, last I checked, most Officers and NCOs (senior or not) expect their SMs to take "any means necessary" to both be in position to and to perform their duties. And aren't you Army types actually conditioned / trained to perform "long" (as in 15+ minutes of driving "long") marches in adverse weather conditions - and issued to gear to do so?
Therefore, second counter question: Why aren't you marching to your duty if usage of your POV is "unsafe"? (oh, for the record, the reason I said "all NCOs" is that my E5 SSGT told me that I was expected to use any and all methods to traverse the 2+ desert miles from my dorm room to my duty station on a "daily" basis - and if my POV was unavailable and I did not wish to use the unit-provided courtesy transportation, I was always able to walk ("march") to the building - in any weather condition.)
3. Apply the infamous "how would I feel" rule to the situation. If a SM 30+ minutes of driving time away was to "pull" the unsafe travel card, and TPTB decided that it was safe enough for you (and your 15+ minutes of travel time) to go in on short/no notice and tabbed you for the replacement duty, what would you expect to happen?
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if someone was shooting at your ass would you worry about road conditions? Look at everything through that lens and it will answer much
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Sorry... there are 3 rules to being successful in the military. RIGHT PLACE RIGHT TIME RIGHT UNIFORM. Instead of looking for a way to sham this you could be proactive by leaving a bit earlier or finding some temp housing on post for a few days (Mil hotel). You choose to live off post don't cry for a risk assessment now. It is a bit telling that this was put out for discussion by a SPC. Sham on solider... Sham on!
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Either cover your assigned day, switch, or pay someone to cover it. Pretty weak attempt at getting out of duty.
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It sucks but you singed up for it, look at it this way you fail you show up someone else gets stuck with extra duty not cool.
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In the civilian world, as employees, we are often required to come to work in bad weather. So look upon it as a test of your driving skills, and excuse the pun, drive on.
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The bottomline SPC (Join to see) is that the duty rosters are made and approved. Any changes in the duty rosters must be sanctioned by the CoC. You are not the only soldier residing off-base and the others accept and perform their duties without incident then, why should you be treated differently? The 1SG is absolutely correct in saying that you should stop thinking selfishly and start practicing selfless service. Further discussion on this topic will be futile.
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So the alternative is to screw some Joe who lives in the barracks because you determined the roads were too dangerous? Sounds like you've already pulled this stunt and are grabbing at straws to get out of trouble.
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You joined the military , not the cub scouts ,... This question proves you joined the wrong one .
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