Posted on Nov 30, 2021
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A bit of context . When I say refuse to jump , I mean I don't get on the plane at all. Refuse on ground before manafest . I have a back injury and they are trying to force me to jump.
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Sgt Claudus Howell
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Having earned the right to wear jump wings is an honor and privilege. No Commander wants to have a medically unqualified soldier placed in a operational or training exercise where further injury may occur. This sounds like a modern day snowflake whom lacks the resolve and courage to perform his duties. Man up or get out and go to work for a company that will provide you with a safe place.
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SSG Richard Brue
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Going on Leave is not mandatory or guaranteed. If you are not doing something that you are supposed to, then you damn right they can deny it. If you can't do something because of an injury, then go see the medics and get it on paper. You need to get stuff like that put in your med records anyways. Any kind of injuries and I mean any, all need to be recorded. That way when you get out and go to the V.A. you are covered. There is only one time a year that they can almost not deny you leave, if you have more than 60 days built-up and you are going to lose them on 1 October. Other than that, other than that, if your commander says no, then no means no.
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SFC Cannon Crew Member
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Best advice is if you have a medical issue that prevents you from all your duties then you need to have a medical profile even if it is temp profile. The way that you described how you refused is a direct violation of lawful order by a superior unless you have the documents that show that you are not to be jumping. The commander should of started UCMJ actions on you did not follow a lawful order and could not provide proof of medical profile. I have seen situations over my career where the commander may have resticted the SM to base during the block leave because of pending UCMJ actions. Even in that situation the SM had fairly light schudule during the leave as there was not many people on base. You might have to spend some time as CQ runner or something. But the actual Hoildays most of the time the SM just had to report and that was it. I recall being on CQ one holiday block leave and that was how it was at that time. Yes, it sucks if this your situation. But try to make the best of the situation, things could be much worse and you could have been forward deployed to some crap hole. Try to take the extra time this holiday break to rehab that injury. maybe do some reading or other things that you can take advantage during the lighter duty schudule. if you are allowed to have family visit then this is another option, you do not have to look at all the negatives. One thing that I found to be great oppertunity was to volunteer to visit with Veterans that were in nursing homes for Holiday . But that was pre COVID but there still may be things at local vets clubs to offer you time to connect with others that have served and may not have family to enjoy this Holiday with. Let this be a learning lesson for life that refusing any order has outcomes to deal with, this also applies when you get done with your time and are in the private sector. In those cases if you refuse a order you get fired, so be grateful at this point that are not being processed for seperation. Try to have a good Holiday season.
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SSG Ryan Molton
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This sounds suspect to me. If you truly have a back injury why haven’t you gone to the doctor ? I don’t know your situation but it sounds like you just didn’t want to jump. Either way commander can take your leave if he wants. If I were you I would go to the surgeon asap and build your case for being a refusal if there is one.
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MSG Moises Maldonado
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Edited 4 y ago
I never had to deal with BLOCK leave.. in my time in Active duty. I thought it was ONLY if you wanted to go on leave at all. What does Refusing to jump has anything to do with Not Going on leave Voluntarily and lose Annual leave? Has the Armed Services changed that much? Does "BLOCK leave" is for Military personnel in TNG during the Holidays?,, Is it mandatory?.. No , I don't think they can Dock your Annual leave Accrual .. Just denied leave Period. Could they..? Please enlghten me on this?
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Jerry Rivas
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You got a profile?????
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SFC Philip Ogden
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No profile. Then you must do if you're on jump status. Yes they can deny your leave.
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CAPT Edward Schmitt
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Well said folks. While just a Navy Squid I always knew I earned leave (like pay) but when I was allowed to take it was at the discretion of my commanding officer.
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SFC Terry Bryant
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If you have a back injury you need to be seen my MILITARY doctors. They decide if you are fit for duty. If they say you are not fit for duty then they will determine the extent of the injury and whether or not you will ever be fit for duty. If you are determined to never be fit for jump duty again then you will either be released from active duty on a medical discharge or you will be declassed depending on what the nature of your injury is. However in the off event you are just scared to jump and using the bad back as an excuse, don't be ashamed of that. Many people are terrified of jumping from a good airplane. That being said, tell your first line leader and take the transfer to a different unit up the chain of command. That is my advice. On a side note...if you have a documented injury and a profile from a Military doctor that prevents you from jumping then nothing short of actual war can override a medical profile. Not your commander and not even the POTUS.
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MSG Harvey Kane
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If you don't have a medical profile you don't have a back injury!
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