Posted on Apr 27, 2014
MSG Martin C.
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I know the answer to this one but I would like to stir the pot a bit. I have a Soldier who is in excellent shape. This particular soldier always max his Pushups and Sit ups; however he struggles with his run. The reason is that he is an amateur Body Builder and his legs are enormous 26" to be exact. He has great stamina but just can’t get his run up to par he has participated in tough mudder, Spartan race and strong man competition; by comparison he outperforms most soldiers. What are your thoughts or suggestions?
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SSG Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T)
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Sure you can. Besides, if I am the rater, I rate as I see fit. Sure I listen to the CSM and 1SG, but there can be only one rater. (Not to go all highlander on you) The APFT is such a poor indicator of fitness, I delight in finding ways not to use it.
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My first NCOER I received an excellence without a 90 in each event (score was like 265 I think). I normally do better, but the excellence was justified because I got Gold when I went for the German Armed Forces Proficiency Badge. So that's one way to justify it beyond the APFT.
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SSG Bn Construction Inspector
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Amen. It's a neck-tweaking, shoulder-wrenching, poor example of fitness. No total-body fitness.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Yes, there are many opportunities to earn an 'Excellence' (Exceeds the Standard) in Physical Fitness & Military Bearing...just need to know what the rater's 'standard' is for this section of the evaluation.

If the rater says the ONLY way to earn an 'Excellence' is to achieve a 270 on one APFT (90 in each event), then that's their standard.

I had an NCO that didn't earn 90 in each event (missed the run by a little bit) and still earned an 'Excellence' because we set a goal at the beginning of the rating period...if you can run 500 miles during this rating period, you'll earn an 'Excellence' in the Physical Fitness & Military Bearing evaluation section.

Now, centralized promotion board members may this approach differently and because of time constraints, may score a record lower if they do not see the Physical Fitness Badge awarded.
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SFC Cardenas,

It is all about quantifying your thoughts. If you feel that he deserves it just back it up with bullets. I know an Army Ranger who could not max push-ups due to his massive arms. He was in combat, had experiences, and an overall good Soldier. Can you justify that he be given an excellence if he wrestled and won championships. I think you can. You just have to put down what you think and be able to support it.
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