Posted on Apr 15, 2020
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SGM G3 Sergeant Major
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It's a counseling.
Your signature confirms that the content of the counseling form was the content of the discussion in that counseling, and that you were present for it.
Are you changing your mind about one of those two things?
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Yes I am trying to disagree now
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SPC (Join to see) - unless you can prove that you were coerced into signing you're stuck. "I changed my mind" is not a valid argument.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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No. Once it's signed, it's signed. Why do you ask?
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unless you can prove you were coerced into signing it, and that is a tough road, once signed it's done.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Doesn't the new 4856 have a follow up block on the back for effect of corrective measure?

Agree that once they sit the guy down, tell him what they tell him, and they sign the block that says they told me that, it's done.

People have been perpetually confused to what concur/nonconcur meant. I concur that is what we talked about or nonconcurred because my counselor talked about baseball when he said in the form I was FTR. It was never intended to say you disagreed with being sat down for that conversation or argued the elements of the counseling.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Just as you don't want to hear your SGT berating you about past problems you've solved,
he doesn't want to hear continuous whining about something you agreed & signed already.
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