Posted on Feb 17, 2014
Can you wear the combat patch of a unit you were attached to?
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Never really seen this till this deployment I am on and I'm around alot of units here.<div>I hear seen a total of 8 Soldiers with 82d ABN combat patches on, and all 8 I asked what unit where they with in the 82d, all of them said "I was attached to the 82d ABN in combat", then of course I knew the answer, but asked anyways "what unit were you assiged to? Or was the 82d just your higher HQ in country", and of course it was the latter.</div><div>My question is why don't Soldiers want to wear their own unit patches? And yes, it does irritate me Soldiers that have never been assigned to the 82d are able to wear it just because the 82d was their higher HQs (even though I'm tracking its authorized). </div><div>I'm not trying to sound like I think my unit is the best conventional unit in the Army (even though it is), I just feel Soldiers are trying to give off an appearance they they served with a certain element when they didn't. </div>
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I don't have the reg on hand right now but I do remember that I have a memorandum for record in my 201 file authorizing my combat patches.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSG Thomas Brousseau , while those memorandums were commonly done and signed by unit commanders, they are not documents recognized by the AR 670-1 as the Army G1 is the only that can authorize a SSI-FTWS that doesn't adhere to the AR 670-1 (which is commonly why those memorandums were created - because the current regulation wouldn't have authorized that Soldier to wear that particular SSI-FWTS).
The Army G1 has actually done that in certain circumstances - he signed a memorandum that specified which units were authorized to wear certain USMC patches during OIF.
Currently, Soldiers have to abide by the "rules" that were in place at the time of their deployment. The AR is pretty specific and detailed with regards to this.
The Army G1 has actually done that in certain circumstances - he signed a memorandum that specified which units were authorized to wear certain USMC patches during OIF.
Currently, Soldiers have to abide by the "rules" that were in place at the time of their deployment. The AR is pretty specific and detailed with regards to this.
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CSM Mike Maynard - I have a memo for record for a 101st patch that states my unit was officially attached to 2nd IBCT of the 101st. Beside that I don't know of anything that can official give you a patch or declare a patch for FWTS. Is there a doc that you can be give that declares this or is this up to that lower level command to clarify. I am mainly referring to the pre-2007 policy.
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CSM Mike Maynard
CPT (Join to see) , since the pre-2007 policy stated that you are authorized to wear the patch of units that you were assigned/attached to during your deployment and not just wear your unit patch like the current policy, then orders or a memo stating your "lineage" or "timeline" of units that you were assigned attached to during the deployment would be sufficient for you to "prove" that you are authorized to wear the patch you are wearing.
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I've always had the understanding that as long as you had a memorandum from the respective command, you could wear that patch.
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SGT (Join to see) I am a little lost here. They are both battalions? If so did you augment that over battalion. It sounds a bit off. Did you deploy as a battalion or as a smaller group. What patch were you wearing as your unit patch? You are always allowed to wear that.
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CORRECTION: Our company falls under the 315th EN BN which falls under the 301st MEB. My company, i220th, isn't shown on the list.
http://currentops.com/nl/units/US-Army/301-MEB
ORIGINAL POST: I am deployed with my Company, i220th. Back in Missouri my unit is under the 35th EN BN. Currently my Company is on title 10 orders and deployed under the 315th EN BN/301st MEB. We were told we can only wear the 35th EN BT patch, which is my home higher HQ that I'm NOT deployed with.
So why, as a "deployment patch" are we wearing the patch of a higher HQ we never served under, on title 10 orders, in theater? That is the question.
We have other soldiers looking at us as if we're to good for any other units patch, and at the same time our lower enlisted is kind of upset and doesn't understand why we're the only Company walking around double patched.
Chances are, with my unit identified, I'm probably going to catch flack for this. I really don't care because no one has explained the whole reasoning behind it or the regulations controlling it.
Also, as far as I know, the 315th EN BN/301st MEB are under the 402nd at our current command. Do you see my confusion yet, because I didn't mention the 35th; however, the 35th EN BN is the deployment patch we're wearing.
http://currentops.com/nl/units/US-Army/301-MEB
ORIGINAL POST: I am deployed with my Company, i220th. Back in Missouri my unit is under the 35th EN BN. Currently my Company is on title 10 orders and deployed under the 315th EN BN/301st MEB. We were told we can only wear the 35th EN BT patch, which is my home higher HQ that I'm NOT deployed with.
So why, as a "deployment patch" are we wearing the patch of a higher HQ we never served under, on title 10 orders, in theater? That is the question.
We have other soldiers looking at us as if we're to good for any other units patch, and at the same time our lower enlisted is kind of upset and doesn't understand why we're the only Company walking around double patched.
Chances are, with my unit identified, I'm probably going to catch flack for this. I really don't care because no one has explained the whole reasoning behind it or the regulations controlling it.
Also, as far as I know, the 315th EN BN/301st MEB are under the 402nd at our current command. Do you see my confusion yet, because I didn't mention the 35th; however, the 35th EN BN is the deployment patch we're wearing.
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it was like that while I was over there just got back 4 months ago. I'm with the 1438th bridge company. we fell under the 307th when we first got there then the 65th. we were only authorized the 35th engineer battalion patch till the end of our deployment when we received a memorandum stating we were able to wear the 65th patch on our combat sleeve. u have to have the paperwork to wear the patch. for some reason with it being the end of the war they are really weird about giving out their patch. I hope this helps man. stay safe over there!
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SGT (Join to see) If I understand you correctly, this should be your answer:
6. A DEPLOYED UNIT (COMPANY OR HIGHER) WILL WEAR THEIR UNIT S SSI AS THE SSI-FWTS. THIS IS TRUE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE HEADQUARTERS ELEMENT DEPLOYS, AND REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE UNIT S ALIGNMENT OR OPERATIONAL CONTROL (OPCON) DURING THE PERIOD OF DEPLOYMENT.
Because you deployed as a Company, you will wear the Company's SSI (which is the 35th EN SSI).
7. WHEN ECHELONS BELOW COMPANY LEVEL DEPLOY, MEMBERS OF THESE UNITS WILL WEAR THE SSI OF THE LOWEST ECHELON DEPLOYED UNIT (COMPANY OR HIGHER) IN THEIR NEW DEPLOYED CHAINS OF COMMAND AS THEIR SSI-FWTS.
Because that PLT from Indiana deployed as a PLT, they wear the 315th EN SSI.
Hope this helps.
6. A DEPLOYED UNIT (COMPANY OR HIGHER) WILL WEAR THEIR UNIT S SSI AS THE SSI-FWTS. THIS IS TRUE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE HEADQUARTERS ELEMENT DEPLOYS, AND REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE UNIT S ALIGNMENT OR OPERATIONAL CONTROL (OPCON) DURING THE PERIOD OF DEPLOYMENT.
Because you deployed as a Company, you will wear the Company's SSI (which is the 35th EN SSI).
7. WHEN ECHELONS BELOW COMPANY LEVEL DEPLOY, MEMBERS OF THESE UNITS WILL WEAR THE SSI OF THE LOWEST ECHELON DEPLOYED UNIT (COMPANY OR HIGHER) IN THEIR NEW DEPLOYED CHAINS OF COMMAND AS THEIR SSI-FWTS.
Because that PLT from Indiana deployed as a PLT, they wear the 315th EN SSI.
Hope this helps.
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I'm Authorized the 10th Mountain SSI-FWTS. for a deployment with a unit that is no longer associated with 10th mountain aside from the fact that they reside at Fort Drum. Current members no longer wear the 10th Mountain Patch, but wear the 16th MP BDE patch (out of Fort Bragg). We changed to this patch during my second deployment with that unit, and as such I'm authorized to wear that SSI-FWTS as well. A few people have noticed it and asked me questions such as: When did I leave Fort Bragg; they're none too happy when I inform them that I've never set foot there. For a while I felt they were a Bastard Battalion. If I went by the aforementioned unsaid rule of wearing whatever unit i was attached to i could wear half the patches in the Army. I find that most peoples distaste isn't from someone wearing something you don't feel their authorized, but that wearing a patch for a unit you know nothing about isn't much of a conversation starter (like the badges in other threads)
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SFC Chris Smith When stating a Bragg patch I am referring to a unit that is only at Bragg. 525th BfSB, 82nd, 82nd SUS, and 18th ABC are a few patches that are limited to Bragg and Bragg only. When I see another guy with a 525th patch with an Airborne Tab on it I know that there is only one company in the whole Army that wears that. It is the LRS company at Bragg.
I know that the other 18th ABC units are at other posts in the Corps. I hope the CSG is the same what I know it to be. I was in a CSG that became a STB and is now a BEB. But that is the way of the Army. I was surprised to see the 7th ID come back. They are only for a command role of the stateside BCTs of 2ND ID. I don't even believe they are deployable.
I know that the other 18th ABC units are at other posts in the Corps. I hope the CSG is the same what I know it to be. I was in a CSG that became a STB and is now a BEB. But that is the way of the Army. I was surprised to see the 7th ID come back. They are only for a command role of the stateside BCTs of 2ND ID. I don't even believe they are deployable.
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I'm referring to the current set up of the 525. Only one company currently has the airborne tab. When I was there back in the day the whole BDE had it.
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CPT (Join to see) to clarify your initial response. IRT my "Bragg patch", I wasn't attached, I was assigned. They have at least 2 detached battalions, one in Fort Drum, one in Fort Campbell. The Brigade is headquartered at Fort Bragg though.
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You cant do this. I inquired about this in 2009 to m DS when I was in basic. Apparently, in the early to mid 2000's, if was like some kind of combat patch anarchy.
I noticed especially among the Reserves/NG, they hate wearing their own patches. I remember at one point they all begged our BC for a memo letting them wear our 101st patches.
Every once in a while we would let people in no name units with no name patches wear ours. I.e. our FST and S-6 Augmentees.
Also, anyone still see that Guadalcanal patch around still?
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I see that in the Guard a lot. I still wear my Guard patch from my second tour. It would be a badge of honor and not a mark of shame wear you are ashamed to wear it.
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Some soldiers like the prestige of wearing an Airborne patch but may lack the guts to go Airborne, those soldiers are Chairborne!
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You should have left that unit with a MOR that will state your length of deployment and commands and subordinate commands if they were authorized a SSI and it’s noted you can where it. When I deployed in 2006 for Iraqi Freedom I was authorized 3 but I only wear the 1st Aviation Brigade I earned that in Viet Nam
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Unless they changed it since 2008, you have to wear your unit patch, it does not matter who you were attached to, unless it was a individual attachement because co or higher youmust wear your unit, it is any other way then everybody would not wear their unit patch because the higher HQ's would be who ever was the command element was at that time
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With this stuff I have a question. In 2011 to 2012 I deployed with my battlion. 3 months later my battery was attached to a different unit for the remainder of the deployment. All your paperwork went through them, all awards sign by them, all orders came from them,and was even awarded a certificate to wear thier patch. So can I wear both of those patches per the regulation. That is just how I read it.
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Forgot to mention we fell under the command of a different battlion for the remainder of that deployment
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I would if I could find mine. I was stationed at Training Squadron VT-2, Whiting, Field, Milton, Fla. I also had a coffee cup with the patch sticker on the cup and it is almost faded off. It had our last name on it. Wish I could get it replaced on it. It was funny when my CO ordered it for me, as the guy who made it said it wasn't sure my name "Policandriotes" would fit on it, but it did. I thought it was dishwashers safe as I cleaned it by hand and oops it faded. I was proud of my squadron and always wore my shoulder patch.
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